if u care only for your business please stay away of music,

fra77x · Post by **fra77x** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 5:32 am

sorry but that's MY opinion

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:26 am

you are about 20 years too late, I`m afraid.

Today music is only buisiness, nothing else regardless of the countries.

That´s really a pity.

[ This Message was edited by: Zer on 2004-11-08 12:03 ]

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 10:33 am

'if u care only for your business'

IMO the next Idol loves to make music just as we do.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:34 pm

quite interested in what made you burst out like you did. I mean, it must have been something big?

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 12:46 pm

Same as Ken. My business IS making music so what's up with that?

krizrox · Post by **krizrox** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 1:34 pm

On 2004-11-08 12:34, kensuguro wrote:
quite interested in what made you burst out like you did. I mean, it must have been something big?

Yeah I was wondering the same thing. It's pretty common for musos to become frustrated with the business end of the music miz and lash out.

My perspective (as a person who runs a music related business and has been a part of this business for the past 30 years) is that you need balance. If you simply ignore the business part of making music, you'll inevitably end up on VH1, whining about how your manager stole all your money and why you're broke even though you sold 30 million albums.

If you simply can't or won't be bothered, then at least make sure there is someone you trust implicitly handling the business end of things for you.

Good luck!

Plato · Post by **Plato** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:13 pm

On 2004-11-08 13:34, krizrox wrote:

If you simply ignore the business part of making music, you'll inevitably end up on VH1, whining about how your manager stole all your money and why you're broke even though you sold 30 million albums.

Sadly, if you ignore the business side of it i don't think you'll ever sell 300 albums, let alone 30 million.
I love the art in music, but still want to make a living doing it....

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:36 pm

heh, learning to make a living with music is an art in itself. krizrox will tell ya all about it. lol. To learn the self control, learning to mechanically manipulate "inspiration", dealing with more than enough idiots to last a lifetime, and of course, ultimately trying to make a statement through your music, which gets covered with bureaucratic muck before it gets pressed anyway.

I hate it. I really wish that things would be different, but complaining is always easier. There hasn't been too many musicians that are successfull both in terms of business and art at the same time. But some do exist. So, I say, why can't I be the next one. (that's one heluva big dream but anyway,)

I've heard some people say, "do what you love most, and persue it with all your might. Pretty soon, the money will follow along." At first thought, I doubted this. Then, on second thought, I started to wonder that "all my might" is. Have I achieved it? Have I given "all my might" yet? There's only one way to find out... it's to give "all my might" and try to find out. will the cash start to flow in?

Well, not just yet. lol.

[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2004-11-08 14:39 ]

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:43 pm

Ken, if you can afford a $1,500 apartment, it's safe to say that you're doing ok, eh?

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 2:54 pm

lol.. well, parents are helping also. In miami dade county, safety doesn't come by cheaply.

actually, I should write a thread about what's going on with my financial status right now. It may be interesting for some. Here's how it went in short.. (I guess you know the story for the most part, paul)

I did max/msp programming for a interactive installation type thing for SIGGRAPH (computer graphics consorsium) in 2003. The project team makes a company to market the product. Now, 2004, the company is running, and now I'm sort of a creative advisor. The company is talking with major communications companies with possibillities of several huge deals. With that ahead of us, we're working on prototypes that qualify for general market deployment. It looks as if we're going to make a contract with a cellphone carrier that's no2 in Japan, later this month.

So, things have happened recently, and although it's not pure music market talk, stuff have really kicked off.

The biggest lesson I've learned? CDs or label contracts aren't the only ways ot make a musical stament. It's now the age of mobile an ubiquitous media.

[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2004-11-08 15:00 ]

Post by **garyb** » Mon Nov 08, 2004 11:55 pm

Art IS business. the idea of the starving artist was created by working artists to avoid competition. business doesn't have to be crass. it means to be busy. staying busy requires money for materials, shelter and food....

fra77x · Post by **fra77x** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 1:48 am

well guys sorry for the misunderstanding of my message- it's always the bad english- i didn't want to sound like a 70's guy talking about the anti-comercial view of life neither to talk about the meaning of being poor! The idea was that when i saw krizrox thread talking about political "crapola" i was really ungry cause i don't see political thoughts and religion as a crap. At the start i desided to reply to the thread and to talk about the meaning of these things to people's life but at the end i saw that i wanted another thread to actually say that art is a complicated thing -related to true life and not some kind of business. The point was "only" and as i 've seen through these year i 'm visiting planetz most of the people in here doesn't care only for that (business part of music). I really wanted to say that politics and thoughts and discussion for other thinks except music are regular subjects that artists really enjoy... (and have it appear as a thread above krizrox - ok a bit childish way i guess) maybe i have to learn english first and then try to express my ideas.... sorry for the frustration...

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 2:52 am

On 2004-11-08 23:55, garyb wrote:
Art IS business.

In the contemporary world, yes. But it hasn't always been that way. Michelangelo and Bach didn't spend oodles of time every quarter calculating their tax returns.

Art WAS patronage!

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:30 am

patronage is BIG business!

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:32 am

On 2004-11-09 01:48, fra77x wrote:
well guys sorry for the misunderstanding of my message- it's always the bad english- i didn't want to sound like a 70's guy talking about the anti-comercial view of life neither to talk about the meaning of being poor! The idea was that when i saw krizrox thread talking about political "crapola" i was really ungry cause i don't see political thoughts and religion as a crap.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 3:35 am

On 2004-11-08 14:54, kensuguro wrote:
In miami dade county, safety doesn't come by cheaply.

my freind, there's no safety for any price.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 10:16 am

It is not posible to live without money today. As some of you suggest, equilibrium is the way: do what you want, to the extend of not harming yourself, harm yourself just enough to like what you do. I life this way, and things are not perfect, but I have enough for a living at the moment, and at the same time, I like what I do.

I know this is too simplistic, take it as a starting idea, nothing else.

blazesboylan · Post by **blazesboylan** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 4:40 pm

On 2004-11-09 03:30, garyb wrote:
patronage is BIG business!

Post by **hubird** » Tue Nov 09, 2004 8:31 pm

funny thread, haha

Even the explanation why we are talking about something else doesn't seem to matter

I didn't react so far, I thought the thread's proposition was far to vague and wild to react to.
Not too wrong then

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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Nov 10, 2004 7:29 am

Sadly, Michelangelo was forced to paint the sistine chapel against his will. He tried to flee the country but was hunted down and returned. You could consider that a form of taxation. I am sure he had a lot of things to worry about.

On 2004-11-09 02:52, blazesboylan wrote:
On 2004-11-08 23:55, garyb wrote:
Art IS business.
In the contemporary world, yes. But it hasn't always been that way. Michelangelo and Bach didn't spend oodles of time every quarter calculating their tax returns.

Art WAS patronage!

[ This Message was edited by: braincell on 2004-11-10 07:31 ]