Thieves broke into my studio!

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Post by JoeKa »

no joke.
And I don´t have an insurance yet, either. my PC, monitors, mics and dj equipment is all that is left. Mixer, synth rack and FX rack were taken. In short: I´m totally screwed for the next two years, minimum. And most of my work of the past 5-6 years is next to worthless without my synths, too.
I think this is one of the darkest days in my life so far.
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Sorry to hear that :sad: I hope your music manages to get you through this.. you still have your skills.
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Post by Spirit »

Terrible news ! I really feel for you... It must have been an awful moment.

When I was a lot poorer than now. lived in a bad neighborhood, couldn't afford insurance etc (and wouldn't have been accepted anyway), I was broken into several times and lost lots of gear.

To this day I still have nightmares about coming home to a ransacked studio.

Beware that you aren't visited again for them to 'finish the job' and take everything.

Sounds to me like someone knoew where they were going and what they wanted to take. Perhaps you have had some 'friends of friends' visit in the past few weeks ? That's what happened to me - I think they liked some of the stuff but were close enough to me that they didn't want to 'wipe me out' and take everything.

The only bright side is that you still have monitors and PC. Time to start looking at some of the free VSTs maybe and go all-software ? Maybe you can write some angry new-style tracks....

Again, sorry to hear :sad:
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Post by garyb »

very sorry to read this!

well, you still have some gear...do you have any serial #s? you can report them to police and pawnshops and second hand dealers, you might still recover a peice or two...

keep at it, you'll recover soon.
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Post by Nestor »

I'm so sorry for this!!! Truly sorry about it man... It's terrible. How can people do such stupid things? They are bainless... totaly brainless...

Well... this is it. It is like an illness or death, you have to go through it, and understand that everything goes by soon... Nothing is left anyway in life, so please, don't suffer too much.

It is difficult to get it back, particularly in big cities... So don't attach yourself to those items, accept they are no longer with you. Think as if you never had them, and start with courage again, YOU KNOW YOU CAN! :smile:

Nevertheless, in the real world, we don't need us much as that to make music, we can alwyas find ways to get sounds from something new. The Spirit's idea is not wild for me, it makes sense. You could easily get covered to continue working virtually.

Well, hope really you come out of those hard feelings soon friend, your creativity cannot be stolen, and this your best bet! :smile:
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Post by Gordon Gekko »

sorry for you man, something alike happened to me a couple years ago

be strong and good luck to you
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a truely sad story, my deepest regrets :sad:
you've probably already been through a list of options, but just in case...

the stuff may appear on eBay or other 2nd hand sales sources, either very fast or after a significant pause, so keep asking the search engines, preferably for highly specific items of your gear.

Have someone from a different town 'look' for one of your items which is easy to identify, even with removed serial.

Someone may have sent the persons to get the gear for own use. Could take some time, but since websites aren't uncommon and people usually like to brag, you might google up someone with almost your setup with a hint to when the stuff was 'aquired'

best wishes and good luck, Tom
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Post by King of Snake »

:sad: I'm very sorry to hear this.
However, I do find it amazing that you have no insurance! What if there's a fire? You'd be left with nothing! Not just your gear but everything in your house could be destroyed and without insurance, you're fucked basically.
I think it's even mandatory to have insurance for the "contents" of your house (including gear) if you rent or buy a house over here. It's not expensive at all, I pay about 30,- Euro a year for an estimated worth of 15.000

let this be a warning to everyone who doesn't have insurance, GO GET IT NOW!



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Just feelin' for ya. A nightmare scenario.... Try to turn it into a creative positive. And keep your eyes open for your gear for years if necessary.

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Post by ChrisWerner »

Oh shit, I know his studio, prepared it with him and I´ve warned him before, too many people around in a cellar with easy exits.

Damn, I feel very sorry, hopefully the police can find the thieves and your gear.

Phone me whenever you want and we meet for some beers or just to share the pain.

You have to be strong in this terrible moment.

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Post by JoeKa »

well, thank you all for your kind and wise words. I will keep my eyes open for sure, since there were some pieces of gear among them which I will really miss. The damage done to the studio structure is another cup of coffee, though, as the crooks tore down 6 layers of rigips walls, plus all the damping filling (glass wool) and finish cover. Looks like a grenade had hit my place.

PS.@king of snake: it´s not a home studio, so it´s not included in my insurance. My father has just asked his insurance fraggle to contact me for a studio insurance a few days earlier, but that meeting has not taken place yet. So it was in fact especially unlucky timing.
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Post by braincell »

I'm always paranoid about this even now that I live in an area with almost no crime. For this reason some time ago I got a laptop that I take with me when I leave home. I have various music software on it. I call it 'Studio B'.
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Post by alfonso »

I can feel the pain!!!!
Damn! :sad:
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On 2005-04-30 05:13, King of Snake wrote:
:sad: I'm very sorry to hear this.
However, I do find it amazing that you have no insurance! ...
It's not expensive at all, I pay about 30,- Euro a year for an estimated worth of 15.000
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it's not that easy, but they tell you - of course as long as nothing has happened :wink:

then it the case of damage you have to be insured for the absolute correct value, any deviation upwards or downwards yields a penalty and less refund.
But in this case the 'time adjusted' value of the gear isn't even the most important aspect.
The true value is difficult to fix (let alone measure) so this requires (as was planned...) a dedicated negotiation.
I'm no expert in this domain, but the fee would be more likely 30 Euro/month than per year for an insurance that reliably regulates such a case - the others will have their backdoors and attorneys...

cheers, Tom
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me was told by 'my' assurence agent that it's better to invest in basic and less basic safety measures, as pro equipment normally isn't included in burglary insurance.
Like with jewels etc., non hifi pro equipment falls in another category, at least in holland.
Anyway, again very sorry for you Joeka!

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I'll check my insurance conditions tomorrow :smile:
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Best wishes :sad:
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Post by emzee »

Just re: insurance.......yes.....check the fine print. More back doors than a prohibition jump joint.

You'll pay for what you get (or don't get). Might be worth asking others with claim experience who they recommend.

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Hmmm, checking my insurance, there doesn't seem to be too many "backdoors" really. There is a provision in here that says the maximum payment for audio- video and computer equipment (I guess studio equipment would fall into this category) is 15.000 euro unless you have certain security measures in your house and it is only insured if it's in a permantly inhabited house (which in my case it is)
This doesn't really matter for me since my studio is not nearly worth 15000 euro.

furthermore, the worth of your belongings is based in the new-worth, not the time-corrected worth, unless the time-corrected worth is less than 40% of the new worth. I guess this would vary from item to item.

there doesn't seem to be any provision saying the "pro equipment" is not included in the insurance. The only thing it says is that for company equipment the payment is based on the current value and not the new price. It would be strange, since the insurance is for the total contents of the house, not only for specific items (nor is it just for burglary, but also fire and other damages).
then it the case of damage you have to be insured for the absolute correct value, any deviation upwards or downwards yields a penalty and less refund.
I can't find anything about this in my insurance conditions to be honest. Of course, you have to be able to prove that you actually owned the stuff that was stolen (or destroyed in a fire for instance) and what it's worth so it's a good idea to keep receipts and maybe even take some detailed pictures of your studio and other expensive belongings.
The true value is difficult to fix (let alone measure) so this requires (as was planned...) a dedicated negotiation.
I'm no expert in this domain, but the fee would be more likely 30 Euro/month than per year for an insurance that reliably regulates such a case - the others will have their backdoors and attorneys...
well, I don't see why the true value is difficult to measure. If you have a list of the stuff you own it should be easy enough to calculate it's total worth pretty accurately, be it based on new price or time-corrected price (just look up regular second hand prices). As for dedicated negotiations, I can see how this could be neccesary in the case of very expensive and professional studios. But for a normal home studio I don't see why this would be the case. As far as I can see, I am insured for a total worth of 15.000 and nowhere does it say that an expert should come in and determine this value for you, or that it should be "negotiated". This is just a normal insurance that everyone has and it should reliably cover any damages by theft, fire, water etc...
As for attorneys, why would they need those? Unless they have good reason to suspect you of insurance fraud.

Of course, since I (thankfully) have not needed the insurence yet, I can't speak from personal experience. I'm just reading and interpreting the insurance conditions. (i've looked for fine print but it's not there. Or maybe it's too fine for me too see :wink:)


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