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Shayne White
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They should make Pro Tools work with CreamWare. 
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kensuguro
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Something about PT LE never clicked for me. I mean, the "full" version with the whole computer+interface+dsp box and whatever else is pretty powerful and all, but releasing a native version kind of takes the meaning out of it. (even though computers are much more powerfull than they were 3-4 years ago) It's kind of like releasing a software version of SFP..
The PT software itself is good I think. What I remember from 5 years ago, which was when I used it most (stayed at a friend's during the summer) was that it was decent. It had everything that was expected. Maybe some minor qirks in the interface, but nothing major. I guess a hardcore user could tell you differently, but from my experience, it felt like there was nothing in particular that made PT better or worse than any other sequencing software out there.
The biggest problem is that PT limits your option of sound output to their stuff, and now m-audio. That sucks, period.
The PT software itself is good I think. What I remember from 5 years ago, which was when I used it most (stayed at a friend's during the summer) was that it was decent. It had everything that was expected. Maybe some minor qirks in the interface, but nothing major. I guess a hardcore user could tell you differently, but from my experience, it felt like there was nothing in particular that made PT better or worse than any other sequencing software out there.
The biggest problem is that PT limits your option of sound output to their stuff, and now m-audio. That sucks, period.
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Nestor
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This is no longer an issue... The three most used sequencers have it all, and they are all extremely good today: CakeWalk, Logic and Cubase. Not even mention Nuendo, the top of the top of them all... PT is history in terms of being the "PRO" thing used only by those in big studios... This is all history and we have to help this history to come down, cos this harms the musician pocket. There is in no way a real need of getting not even one of those great products I have named. There are quite a few very good and cheap sequencers that will do much more than what you are going to ever use.
All this hype is nothing but marketing, times have changed. There is a couple of unmistakable realities here:
ONE: Computers are the most powerful instruments in the world and you don’t need but a good computer to make music sound pro.
TWO: There are about 15 good sequencers that could perfectly replace Cakewalk, Logic, Cubase and Nuendo, and of course ProTools, doing almost the same thing.
The only thing you can complain about, is interfaces, but this is all too personal. The epoch of the “this is the only good software” has finished years ago people. Long live to good and cheaper software…
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All this hype is nothing but marketing, times have changed. There is a couple of unmistakable realities here:
ONE: Computers are the most powerful instruments in the world and you don’t need but a good computer to make music sound pro.
TWO: There are about 15 good sequencers that could perfectly replace Cakewalk, Logic, Cubase and Nuendo, and of course ProTools, doing almost the same thing.
The only thing you can complain about, is interfaces, but this is all too personal. The epoch of the “this is the only good software” has finished years ago people. Long live to good and cheaper software…
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it will always be an issue...
I agree with your points as far as the 'possibility' of individual creativity is concerned.
But most studios don't do it for fun, but for earning a living - and in this context you cannot easily beat an established workflow.
A part of this business is plain industry and as such the rules apply.
I assume that 80% of all studios with a commercial relevance run either Logic or ProTools on Macs.
But this doesn't force personal preferences to just these 2 systems.
You may prepare your sources with whatever applies, but if you want to run a production service you'll have to go through a hell of setup before you even come close to what the afforementioned 'leading' system supply.
cheers, Tom
I agree with your points as far as the 'possibility' of individual creativity is concerned.
But most studios don't do it for fun, but for earning a living - and in this context you cannot easily beat an established workflow.
A part of this business is plain industry and as such the rules apply.
I assume that 80% of all studios with a commercial relevance run either Logic or ProTools on Macs.
But this doesn't force personal preferences to just these 2 systems.
You may prepare your sources with whatever applies, but if you want to run a production service you'll have to go through a hell of setup before you even come close to what the afforementioned 'leading' system supply.
cheers, Tom
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Nestor
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Ok, that makes sense Astro I have to agree with you of course. I was watching it more from the point of view of us, lonely composers and musicians, with a single DAW using it for our own purposes. Of course there must be a workflow for those guys working in studios all day, quite understandable as time is the most critical thing there. But despite the fact I agree with you in terms of workflow and big studios way, things are changing much.
Just a point here: there are thousands of BIG studios using Nuendo today, even my idol Bob Clearmountain uses it, to my amazement. You cannot say he’s not the money to afford anything else he wants... If you ever try Nuendo, you’ll be amazed at what you can do with it in no time in terms of workflow. There is a high level of customisation; you can change language in a couple of seconds to meet people requirements, you can work with almost any external equipment without problems. And, (for me this is a big AND), to my ears they have the best EQs of the market in the software world, they sound just incredible warm and rich, very precise, it never distorts or changes the character or your production.
I also know medium studios, like the one from our friend Krizrox, which uses Cakewalk, and I personally know quite a few important studios that use Cubase in the UK.
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Just a point here: there are thousands of BIG studios using Nuendo today, even my idol Bob Clearmountain uses it, to my amazement. You cannot say he’s not the money to afford anything else he wants... If you ever try Nuendo, you’ll be amazed at what you can do with it in no time in terms of workflow. There is a high level of customisation; you can change language in a couple of seconds to meet people requirements, you can work with almost any external equipment without problems. And, (for me this is a big AND), to my ears they have the best EQs of the market in the software world, they sound just incredible warm and rich, very precise, it never distorts or changes the character or your production.
I also know medium studios, like the one from our friend Krizrox, which uses Cakewalk, and I personally know quite a few important studios that use Cubase in the UK.
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To my amazement, many LITTLE studios are using ProTools... and many are switching from Nuendo to ProTools.On 2005-04-06 17:50, Nestor wrote:
Just a point here: there are thousands of BIG studios using Nuendo today
And the worst reverb.And, (for me this is a big AND), to my ears they have the best EQs of the market in the software world
But yeah, Nuendo is pretty nice to use.
"If you ever try Nuendo, you’ll be amazed at what you can do with it in no time in terms of workflow"
I was a nuendo user ... but now I'm a samplitude user so for me nuendo is not the top of the top . it is second !
nuendo seems at first a copy/paste from samplitude ( a 1:1 emulation ?? ) . but samplitude is the real thing . I haven't played with the last version of nuendo though .
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I was a nuendo user ... but now I'm a samplitude user so for me nuendo is not the top of the top . it is second !
nuendo seems at first a copy/paste from samplitude ( a 1:1 emulation ?? ) . but samplitude is the real thing . I haven't played with the last version of nuendo though .<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: spiderman on 2005-04-07 10:11 ]</font>
A friend of mine in the US who is always insisting that I join the Protools Gang for Compatability sake has sent me an MAudio Audiophile 192 and the MPowered PT Software. I opened the box took out it's contents and had a good look at them. I looked at my computer with my Scope Home card installed, thinked very hard for a while then I finally
made my decision. I took the version of the Reason and all the other compatible stuff and installed them on the computer with my Scope Home card. I am satisfied with things as they are. When I can afford I may get another Computer to experiment with the Audiophile. The idea seems OK but with things like OMF to transfer files I believe the move is a bit late. In the game of survival nothing matters.
made my decision. I took the version of the Reason and all the other compatible stuff and installed them on the computer with my Scope Home card. I am satisfied with things as they are. When I can afford I may get another Computer to experiment with the Audiophile. The idea seems OK but with things like OMF to transfer files I believe the move is a bit late. In the game of survival nothing matters.