When Someone Dies Only Say Good Things

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:22 am

Interestingly enough this article is talking about this topic. The first sentence:

THERE are two versions of the convention on discussing the recently departed. The older of them is de mortuis nil nisi bonum; speak nothing but good of the dead. Gore Vidal has made the case for a sterner maxim: nil nisi verum, or nothing but the truth.

Link:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/co ... 83,00.html

Post by **garyb** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 11:35 am

personally, except for the change in value of his catalog based on public perception, something that it's doubtful that the man himself even cares about any more, i suspect that it really doesn't matter much what we say about him at this point.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jul 22, 2005 7:45 pm

It aint Mozart!

On 2005-07-21 19:41, Immanuel wrote:
"That was before music became dominated by giant corporations."

Giant corporations didn't decide taste back then ... kings and dukes did ...

I actually really like a lot of the "industrial" pop music of today, and I really considder some of the songs sung by i.e. Britney Spears to be very well done productions ... sometimes with some really nice and creative ideas - some of which (for me anyway, but I may be considdered uninformed) even seem "rule breaking" ... and thus experimental/risky (in case that has any value in itself. To me it does when it works (for me)).

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 1:06 am

Mozart was the first teenage idol

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:31 am

On 2005-07-23 02:06, astroman wrote:
Mozart was the first teenage idol

Perhaps not. History doesn't tell us enough about travelling minstrals...

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:24 am

particularily not about extremely young ministrels with a fanatic management, like Mozarts dad was said to be...

it wasn't that different for the 'classics' and some had their problems, too.

Wagner once complained I'm in a terrible mood today, no new ideas, I could just work on the arrangement - in other words he did a remix that day

cheers, tom

[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2005-07-23 09:32 ]

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 3:50 pm

No one can agree on "good" music..... what a relief. Maybe someone will like my esoteric ramblings.......

Just shows there are almost as many viewpoints as there are people.

Post by **hubird** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:09 pm

mwah, it's not that difficult to catch the good ones, tho there will always be examples of historical misses

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:10 am

Yeh, lots of them

Billy goat gruff · Post by **Billy goat gruff** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:31 pm

By the way....... out of left field...... God.com is already taken.........

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:36 am

God.com is a very interesting place if you're in the market for some fiction based brainwashing run by the Nazi's of the future.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 4:27 am

I was thinking recently that some of the great recordings such as the Beatles were on analog tape and very degraded but when everything is digital if it is backup up once in a while, it could live forever and be remixed into new music long after the original artist is dead. It brings up ethical questions: Would the artists have wanted this? and should we care? There is an enormous potential for new creative possiblities.

On 2005-07-23 09:24, astroman wrote:

Wagner once complained I'm in a terrible mood today, no new ideas, I could just work on the arrangement - in other words he did a remix that day

cheers, tom

[ This Message was edited by: astroman on 2005-07-23 09:32 ]

[ This Message was edited by: braincell on 2005-07-28 05:27 ]

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jul 28, 2005 9:51 am

On 2005-07-28 05:27, braincell wrote:
... and be remixed into new music long after the original artist is dead. It brings up ethical questions: Would the artists have wanted this? ...

there are no ethical questions once the artist releases the music to public - for making a living or whatever purpose.
As such the rules for exploiting the published results apply, which (afaik) define what parts have to be licensed under which conditions and what parts are free.

personally I consider the Beatles the world's most overestimated quartett, but it reminds me on another famous record from my youth.

Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon
burnt into my memory as THE soundwise favourite of that time...
I recently bought a near mint copy (supposed to be an original) just for reference (the content isn't my cup of tea anymore...)

well, disappointed is a mild expression for my sentiments - what the hell was so great about this record ???
Of course you can do THAT with Scope, easily...

Not shure if referring to a once 'famous' record or style is always that creative, but some of my favourite pad sounds are from Wagner's Rhinegold

cheers, Tom

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:50 pm

My comment was really about mixing artists after they are dead.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 1:53 am

as was (the first part of) my answer

after something is brought to public attention certain more or less 'obscure' rules apply.

one could argue for hours about the source and use of such conventions, if rules apply at all and about individual influence (power in this context)...

there seems to be a consense that such stuff is treated similiar to patents - after some time it becomes a public 'good' - or 'bad'

of all mankind.

what's your ethic point in inparticular ?

cheers, Tom

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Aug 04, 2005 3:05 am

When you are dead and patents run out, you have lost control over your material. This is for the good of society. It is ridiculous how Disney keeps getting patents extended but many artists would be upset with people messing with their material. I can imagine situations where the original intent of the artist is distorted. For instance when an artist's material is used for exlicit pornographic purposes.