pulsar mixer running hardware vst pluggins

ozzborn · Post by **ozzborn** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 3:35 pm

pulsar version 3.0 is exellent.its a great enviorment 4 combing multiple software programs with external gear and using its own wicked synths samplers and effects.i am glad to see the pulsar mixer has stero channels for using stero inserts. but i am still tempted by the effects coming from tc powercore,uad,and possibly waves (if the rumors are true).if creamware would allow vst effects to be used in the pulsarmixer(only talking hardwre vst effects) it would launch pulsar into the arena of protools.it would give pulsar the professinal edge the market is looking 4.imagine using the pulsar mixer with uad ii76 comps,and a couple of tc masterx and megareverb and pulsar filters and synths. i believe emuparis does this already.
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subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Sun Nov 11, 2001 5:20 pm

That's an excellent idea really... consider adding it to the Ideas thread here (I will if you don't!

http://planetz.ghostwheel.com/forums/vi ... 78&forum=5

Actually after careful thought, you can do this already! The only problem, is that no matter how it's done, there will be 2xASIO latency involved, I guess if CW implemented it directly it would only be 1xASIO latency. But you can do it right now: use a Bus or AUX send off your Pulsar mixer into ASIO Destination, use the Plugins inside your sequencer (or some slim-VST host program), and have ASIO Destination routed back to your mixer (careful of feedback loops until you get it right).

Then you can use VST instruments as an AUX send

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at0m · Post by **at0m** » Mon Nov 12, 2001 6:28 pm

This still would not let NorthpoleVST run on Pulsar, Sub. I thought that what's he was after: Convince Genuine VST software effects programmers/companies to do a Pulsar version of their effect.

To be honest, that's as hard as making a new plugin for Pulsar: the XTC .dll files are just 'loaders' for the .mdl and .dev files, so they are not just Pulsar devices converted to .dll or so

I do hope that more and more pro audio companies will be convinced of this genuis Creamware platform, as I hope that more free devices makers will see the light too.
Both will have to learn how to work with Scope DP, but the Pro Audio companies will not have to make their own atoms on top of that.
The atoms contain the algoritmes, which are the basics of the dsp system.

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MeloManiac · Post by **MeloManiac** » Tue Nov 13, 2001 4:30 am

I think it will take some serious (G)UI improvement to make other companies realize how great Pulsar is. I work with ProTools at work and plugins/devices load up in 1/10th of a second. The GUI is regular MacOS, not some sloooooooooooow custom one. Working in PT is so much more smooth than Pulsar, sorry to say....

If CW could get their finger out from a certain place and totally rewrite their GUI/loading routines that would make the platform more attractive. If the slow deviceloading/GUI problem is due to some bad hardware design... well, too bad for CW then....

bosone · Post by **bosone** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 12:02 am

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use a Bus or AUX send off your Pulsar mixer into ASIO Destination, use the Plugins inside your sequencer (or some slim-VST host program), and have ASIO Destination routed back to your mixer (careful of feedback loops until you get it right).

what kind of slim VST host can i use??? i don't have neither cubase nor cubasis, and use cakewalk as a seq.
thanks

Micha · Post by **Micha** » Wed Nov 14, 2001 3:23 am

bosone, have a look at
http://www.fxpansion.com
I use their VST/DirectX Adapter with Cool Edit.

Happy Pulsaring
Micha

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Nov 15, 2001 5:22 pm

On 2001-11-14 00:02, bosone wrote:
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what kind of slim VST host can i use??? i don't have neither cubase nor cubasis, and use cakewalk as a seq.
thanks

If Cakewalk supports monitoring, turn it on and set it up to *always* thru-put it's inputs, or at least the ones you wanna hear.
Mix the result on your CWPA mixer instead of on the PulsarMixer.

Another idea:
If you could then insert effects in those channels (aux maybe?) while you're monitoring them, you can use your Cakewalk mixer instead of your Pulsar Mixer, and send everything to ie. one 'wav dest'. You could choose between DSP/Dx effects.
Downmix everything to 1 Wav Dest, saves a Bigmixer

Cubase does 'direct monitoring', that's a bonus I think from ASIO2 drivers. This means *zero* latency, because the audio (synths, fx, hardware sources,...) is not really routed to the VST mixer, it's all done on the card. And goes with the ASIO2 source to Analog Out or so.
Saves a BigMixer, if there's enough CPU for the sequencer mixer.

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subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Fri Nov 16, 2001 8:53 am

You can also maybe use a VST to DirectX adapter with Cakewalk, although there might be a little more latency, and some plugs might not like it, but it might work for what you need?