Mac OS X Is Now Available For The PC

Post by **garyb** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 9:09 am

there's nothing that amazing in a mac. it uses more or less the same parts as a pc. poor parts would work as poorly as they do in a pc running windows....

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 3:30 pm

According to what I read, the Mac OS on a PC runs much better than on an Apple. I have a friend testing it for music right now. I'll be sure to post the results in this forum.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:04 pm

There is no point using it unless you want to just surf the web or admire the OS graphics like a nerd.

The Rosetta translation system doesn't do anything for apps with instructions for G4 or G5 CPUs. That basically means pretty much all music software.

A Mac is much more than an OS - it's an integrated system. I've used PCs for years and have never come across a single one which could be considered an integrated system. Why do you think Apple went for Intel and not AMD chips? Intel makes the CPU *and* the motherboards, chipsets, compilers etc...

I'm not sure why so many people can get so upset about such a trivial thing. I bet they didn't even buy Logic for Windows. I did and while I was pissed off at the time, I got over it.

It's a computer, not a religion. If PCs work great for you, then fine but why the need for war on the subject? I just can't understand the hate involved in computer platform allegiance. I'm not an Apple fanboy either - can't stand Ipods, mac.com accounts and all the stupid corporate-slick-marketing (that stupid corporate slacker image is just totally puke-inducing bullshit). However the computers and OS are, on the whole, pretty nice.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 4:59 pm

I actually did buy an Emagic MIDI interface and was saving up for Logic when the shit hit the fan. Up until that point I had no hatred of Apple only Apple users because they tend to be annoying. Exasperating the situation was the fact that it was the 3rd expensive MIDI interface I had bought due to the fact that when a new OS comes out, companies would rather sell their new interface rather than make new drivers. I would even be willing to buy drivers. I have spent over $1,000 on MIDI interfaces! When Apple kicked me and 90,000 other users in the ass it was turning point in my view of Apple and fueled my disgust. Putting the i in front of everything was also pretty stupid and the iPods are not an earth shattering invention. I don't buy the argument that they dropped the Emagic PC users because they required more support. That was PR. It's not a touchy feely company like all the artists and musicians say, it is a greedy corporation just like all the others and that is what people do not get.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 6:13 pm

On 2005-08-22 17:59, braincell wrote:
...When Apple kicked me and 90,000 other users in the ass it was turning point in my view of Apple and fueled my disgust. ...

yeah, but there were twice as much (paying) Mac users though Apple's market share that year must have been less than 5 percent...

even if you consider that a Mac is the preferred system of professional media producers, such a discrepancy can't be right - Logic PC was fairly widespread...

of course it's a greedy corporation, like any other one - else it would be called charity.

sorry for being annoying, Tom

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:28 pm

I actually like you Tom.

I might be wrong but it is my understanding that the PC side of Emagic was growing more quickly and it was added later.

I can't speak for video with the Mac but I am a graphic artist. The Mac is still preferred for computer artists yet there is no need for a Mac when using Photoshop, Illustrator etc.. even at very high resolutions. The preference for Apple computers has come about because Macs once were that much better. It is difficult to dislodge common knowledge once it is ingrained in the culture.

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darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:07 am

I don't think the PC market share was of any concern in any stage of the decision-making. Apple saw that having Logic as an exclusive Mac-only app would make more people get into Macs. However you see it, it's perfect business sense. If you criticize them for that, then you should criticize the whole way the economy works.

I don't really see what's to hate about Apple - they have slick, annoying corporate marketing just like Microsoft, they do business in underhand ways just like any corporation. They even use the same components (graphics cards, hard drives, RAM and now CPUs) as Windows PCs. However the motherboard and OS are proprietary and controlled as an integrated system.

We Creamware users know more than most people about the importance of a solid, reliable motherboard.

So that's what you pay for. What's to hate? Price? PC users in my experience pay a lot more in the lifetime of their computer for upgrades etc (just because they CAN). Sure, Apple-zealots are annoying but so are Microsoft, BeOS and *nix zealots. These people probably spend more time arranging their desktop skin than using their computer for a worthwhile purpose.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:12 pm

On 2005-08-23 08:07, darkrezin wrote:
However you see it, it's perfect business sense.

Because everyone knows that Apple always makes "perfect business sense"; just like the Newton, the Mac Clones, the firing of Jobs or the hiring of Jobs (which ever way you look at it). I could go on and on, but mainly the missed opportunity to be on 90% of all computers.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:54 pm

But why does it bother you so much? When did companies become like football teams to support? They do what they do, they may make mistakes and then they may make great decisions which make a lot of money. Either way it's their money, not yours. No doubt everyone has their own ideas about what is good for a company (I see many people very keen to give CW advice on marketing and product development too), just like a football team. We can pick our fantasy dream teams all we like but there's only one or two guys who make the decisions, and they think about it properly because they get paid to do it.

Post by **hubird** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 4:48 pm

my words, both your posts

In fact, I don't know any mac 'zealots', well...maybe one, not me

I have a mac to please myself, not Apple

Integration of hardware and operating system, that's what I need.
Can you imagine that I visit Apple's website hardly once a year?!

It reflects my attitude to the corporation and at the same time showsApple's operating system bullet prove

(eh bad language

).

Yesterday I had a strange problem on my mac.
If I tried to close some open folder windows, I got a freeze, but if I let them, I could work with audio programs as always

I was even able to open and close any other folders.
Never ever saw that before.

A dj was with me in the studio that night, so I had to solve it quickly.
Man, in twenty minutes I had done all the normal steps to solve problems, from lowest to highest level (trashing specific prefs up to renewing drivers).
No result.
Then I knew it was something irregulary, or a cache memory thing, at least not a socalled system thing or whatever.

So I thought, only the little pieces of code that are responsible for just the 'open status' of those folders, must be corrupted.
So I didn't touch them, opened the same folders again, right from where they are on my harddisc.
Problem solved.
I could close them as normal, and without a restart we went along.
Should have done that at first, but that's me

Not that special, I hear you say

Well, it is at least for stupid me, but that's not what I'm aiming at.
What I wanne say is, that it feels so good to know your machine is good (if it's not broken), as it's integrated quality.
I could completely forget about the machine, and focus on the problem.

This feels as a luxury, but also as a natural condition for a media machine.
I don't do it with less

Not even the smallest shadow of offend, appearingly just in a chat mood

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Post by **garyb** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 9:53 pm

it's all good.
my pc is just as reliable and dependable.

in the end, the os or platform is not that important if it does what you need it to. macs are great machines.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:41 pm

I remember when my friend got a G3 and she asked me to fix something. I was amazed that I was able to since I never touched a Mac before but then again I thought that nothing ever went wrong on them too and that was not true.

Post by **hubird** » Wed Aug 24, 2005 5:34 pm

@ Garyb and Braincell

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 3:57 am

darkrezin,

When did companies become like football teams to support?

It's part of human nature to divide rather than unite

They do what they do, they may make mistakes and then they may make great decisions which make a lot of money. Either way it's their money, not yours.

Their decisions are normally based on how to make more of 'your money' _ 'their money'.

We can pick our fantasy dream teams all we like but there's only one or two guys who make the decisions, and they think about it properly because they get paid to do it.

Unfortunately more often in a manner which benefits the 'company' rather than the user & Appaul are no different to CWA in this manner IMO.

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darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:22 am

Of course.. but there is nothing forcing us to buy things and give them our money

Don't get me wrong, I use Macs and PCs, because they are tools to do certain tasks.

I expect nothing other than utter corporate greed from all companies, and I honestly don't believe for one second that any of them is better than any others, nor do any of them regard 'user interests' as a priority.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 5:49 am

And they are good tools, but with less consumer bashing upgrade snowballs & a little more insight into longevity, they'd be outstanding tools and certainly a lot more worthy of lax loyalty & devotion. Don't get me wrong either, i'm not taking a side or complaining, merely stating the facts and reality of the situation.

Not all companies are greedy. Look at open-source OS's like Redhat. Look at the free software market in general.
I believe that CWA for example, could attract a lot more developers/programmers to the platform if they open-source or GPL a bunch of existing software, such as the Noah apps. If they did this in conjunction with a freely available SDK for Noah which can run on any combo of Scope cards with 12 DSPs, they could have a real buzz going on in the synth programming community & a bundle of new customers looking to buy a Noah.

I personally know of a UK synth developer who told me he had contacted CW & asked them if he could develope software for Noah. His words were that they bluntly said 'no'. Word gets out , be it good or bad. Development of 3rd-party apps for Noah would be very good reputation wise. Kinda got side-tracked, but it's all good

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:54 am

That is food for thought.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sat Aug 27, 2005 2:51 am

stardust,

Maybe Apple will add PC cash in strategy as well for higher payback.

They already have & are doing so.

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