Hurricane Katrina

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 3:56 pm

Hey, is anyone in the New Orleans area? I don't think I've seen anyone from that area.. anyway, cat 5... watch out. Katrina was cat 1 when it passed through Miami area, where I live. And that was pretty bad. Bunch of trees went down, and power went out for 3 days. And that's only a max windspeed of around 60 mph in my area. So, people in new orleans, you're in for an adventure.. or, a catastrophe actually.

Get out of the area if at all possible. You could die.

here are some photos of the damage around my place

[ This Message was edited by: kensuguro on 2005-08-28 17:13 ]

Post by **hubird** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 6:20 pm

if it's true as they say that it'll be worse every year, due to climate changes, the whole 'region' will turn into a uninhabitable area on the long run.
It's unbelievable

Wish you luck

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sun Aug 28, 2005 8:40 pm

ya, I'd have to wait for basicpitch's input on this one... it seemed like people, the officials in particular, weren't really prepared for a hurricane here in Miami Dade. I guess part of the reason is because the hurricane changed courses half way into the night, but it sounded like they were caught off guard. Now, I assumed that Florida got hurricanes every year, I may be wrong. I mean, I know of last year's catastrophe, but I'm not clear on anything earlier.

Taking into consideration about these things getting worse every year, is this like the first time that things got so this bad? Man, if things are only going to get worse because of global warming... that's some serious business goin' down.

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 12:22 am

I'm sorry Ken!

Here in Chile we are having unbelievable amounts of rain! It’s madness! It has rain in 8 hours the mount of a year, so there are thousands of people right now in neighbour houses or in government homes… There are a few large areas where every single house is inundated!

Fortunately we are not affected, despite that at no more than 400 meters there is a complete disaster… busses and cars are trapped in the roads full of mud and stones that came from the top of the mountains… there is melted snow coming down too, to worsen the situation.

A big bridge has been broken, it is very important as it is the only one for the rapid train that crosses from North to South of the Country.

Unfortunately, the whether specialists have said we still will face two more days of rain…

I'm lucky to be writting right now

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 2:31 am

well, what impressed me most, was the unavailable ermergency plan for all people. What the heck? Are humans without cars not consiodered as humans in the states? That`s a thing nerver could happen here in good old Germany.
And I wonder if its a good idea to collect the people in a central stadion. Some people must be really crazy.

Anway 9 people dead as far as the news are concerned.

Good luck for all...and happy processing against your insurances.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 7:44 am

It just makes me angry when I hear all the right wing pundits claiming that the global warming is not real. I want to see them hunkered down in New Orleans, or any other city hit by disaster, then ask them what they think about global warming.

arela · Post by **arela** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:38 am

Global warming wellcome here

This has been the coldest and darkest summer i can remember.

But - global warming, or green house effect, could show up the opposite way, i'm told....
....so hot summer = no guaranty

After more than 30 years as a smoker, i've been
without a cig for more than a year now
....that is my contribution

....against global warming
....against philip morris

...but for hot northen summers
and hurricanes of course, can stay away!

Post by **garyb** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:38 am

On 2005-08-29 03:31, Zer wrote:
well, what impressed me most, was the unavailable ermergency plan for all people. What the heck? Are humans without cars not consiodered as humans in the states? That`s a thing nerver could happen here in good old Germany.
And I wonder if its a good idea to collect the people in a central stadion. Some people must be really crazy.

yes, some people are more valuable than others.......
germany is a nation. that is, it's a tribal entity. too many people are related for that to happen in germany. you don't treat the family poorly. the u.s.a. is a little different. no one admits to being family, since there are so many tribes involved, plus one is taught to look out only for one's self. yes, many people are quite crazy....

good luck out there.....

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 8:54 am

On 2005-08-29 09:38, arela wrote:

This has been the coldest and darkest summer i can remember.

Well, this is the problem, people expect temperatures to rise constantly every year. This is not how it works. Temperatures fluctuate. Unfortunately, the effects of global warming are felt more in the arctic circles, were the summers are longer, herds of caribou are thining out because of insect infestations that never happened in those areas. In other areas glaciers are melting faster, snow on mountain tops in Africa are disapearing, etc. Then you have uncontrolable fires devastating forests. The signs are here, whether one chooses to ignore them or not.

arela · Post by **arela** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 9:15 am

Bingo:

Well, this is the problem, people expect temperatures to rise constantly every year. This is not how it works. Temperatures fluctuate.

Yes - this is really disappointing.

...things can/will turn really bad if/when the ocean currents changes.
In norwegian: Hutte tu!

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:55 am

All those natural disasters we are in have complex causes, and these causes are related to each other closely. Regrettably, we are facing up a truly dangerous situation for the following 20 years of our planet.

I have a friend called Carlos, one of the finest scientists of our time with many international awards in ocean investigations, considered a luminous specialist in sea life. He’s right now constructing an investigation centre in Chile in a virgin seaside – one of the few left in the world – in the south of the country. He kindly explained me the serious situation we are in, and by myself I have got a deeper insisted studding all these matters seriously, what do I have to say after that? You are not going to like it.

Unfortunately, the problem is far more serious than what it seems to be at first sight. Have you realised that every time there is an important earthquake somewhere in the world, there are several coming on in no more than 3 days? Have you observed the changes in birth migrations annually? ¿Have you notices the colour of our skies after 20 years? ¿Do you know that the African Continent is moving about 15 centimetres per year as a whole? ¿Why oceans have reduced its life in about 80% in 1000 years? Do you know about the rising of those strange new lands in front of Scotland and Ireland, coming from nowhere from supposedly, cold waters? Why there is suddenly warm air flowing suddenly in cold places of the world when never happened before in history?

Our earth is in a big, tremendous revolution inside itself, the magma is getting in touch with the waters of the oceans and huge and deep lakes. This is happening because of the enormous fissures that exist down there, all around the glove. As you can easily understand, this is causing tremendous amounts of vapour as “fire” and “water” contact each other, accumulating under our soils a mega pushing up power, unimaginable to our minds…

This incredible “mass-power” of vapour is pushing from the bottom of the earth to the surface where we live searching its path through colossal conglomerations of rocks, sand, water and mud, to come up and release this absolutely mesmerizing pressure.

This gives many answers to the questions posed above.

More:
The magnetic axis of our world is in movement and changing place, this is why a compass does not give anymore a perfect indication to where the cardinal points are. Of course, you must understand this point in time, i.e., you need to compare the cardinal points of today to those existing at least 100 years ago.

Conclusion:
We are facing radical changes never seen before in nature.

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BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:59 am

Here we go, Katrina's aftermat (from Yahoo):

Debris from a fallen building covers several buildings in downtown New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina battered the Louisiana Coast on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

South Miami-Dade County as seen during a fire department aerial reconnaissance mission in the wake of Hurricane Katrina, in this photo taken August 26, 2005. Hurricane Katrina bulked up in the Gulf of Mexico on August 27, 2005 for a second and potentially more deadly assault on the U.S. coast after killing seven people on its trek across southern Florida. (Lt. Eric Baum/Miami-Dade Fire Rescue/Handout/Reuters)

Workers at Beauvoir, the Biloxi historical home where Jefferson Davis spent the last years of his life, prepare for Hurricane Katrina to make landfall in Biloxi, Mississippi. A massive evacuation of New Orleans was underway amid fears of a catastrophic hit by Hurricane Katrina, which barreled toward the low-lying southern US city with winds of 280 kilometers (176 miles per hour).(AFP/Getty Images/Marianne Todd)

Debris from a fallen building covers several buildings in downtown New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina battered the Louisiana Coast on Monday, Aug. 29, 2005. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

Waves crash against a boat washed onto Highway 80 as Hurricane Katrina hits the Gulf Coast Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 in Gulfport, Miss. (AP Photo/John Bazemore)

This image released by NOAA Sunday, Aug. 28, 2005 was collected at 7:32 pm EDT showing Hurricane Katrina. Katrina barreled toward the Big Easy on Sunday with 175-mph wind and a threat of a 28-foot storm surge, forcing a mandatory evacuation, a last-ditch Superdome shelter and prayers for those left to face the doomsday scenario this below-sea-level city has long dreaded. Katrina intensified into a Category 5 giant over the warm water of the Gulf of Mexico on a path to come ashore early Monday in the heart of New Orleans. (AP Photo/NOAA)

Floodwaters surround a car in uptown New Orleans early Monday, Aug. 29, 2005 as high winds and rain batter the Louisiana coast as Hurricane Katrina makes landfall. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

Damage(R) can be seen on the roof of the Louisiana Superdome, evidence to the strong winds from Hurricane Katrina as it made landfall in New Orleans(AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)

A man walks down an ally in The French Quarter where debris is starting to fly as Hurricane Katrina aproaches the Louisiana coast. Katrina pounded vulnerable New Orleans with howling winds, damaging the roof of the Superdome stadium where thousands had sought refuge, knocking out power, flooding streets and threatening a wide swath of the US Gulf Coast(AFP/Getty Images/Mark Wilson)

People peek out of a doorway to look at a car crushed by the front of a building in downtown New Orleans, after Hurricane Katrina hit, August 29, 2005. REUTERS/Rick Wilking

A man videotapes a car crushed by the front of a building in downtown New Orleans, after Hurricane Katrina hit, August 29, 2005. (Rick Wilking/Reuters)

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 6:38 am

Will it help to know that the hit areas contain the poorest population in America?

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:18 am

Nestor wrote:

Conclusion:
We are facing radical changes never seen before in nature.

One of the scariest things is the very possible re-enactment of what happened ~55 million years ago, due to the sudden massive release of vast stores of methane (held as methane hydrates) from the very bottom of the oceans. Scary stuff indeed:

http://www.giss.nasa.gov/research/briefs/schmidt_02/

Royston

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 8:22 am

Great article!

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Aug 30, 2005 9:02 am

More pictures:

An oil rig that broke loose during Hurricane Katrina is wedged under the Cochrane Bridge in Mobile, Alabama. Rescue crews worked frantically to save hundreds of people trapped by floodwaters from Hurricane Katrina, which devastated the US Gulf Coast states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama and reportedly left dozens of people dead.(AFP/Stan Honda)

Residents walk through floodwaters on Canal Street in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005, after Hurricane Katrina devastated the Louisiana and Mississippi coasts when it came ashore on Monday. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

New Orleans residents ride in a boat and walk through floodwaters that besiege the Crescent City on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Hurricane Katrina devastated the Louisiana and Mississippi coasts when it came ashore on Monday. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

A toppled brick wall is seen in the French Quarter after Hurricane Katrina hit New Orleans, Louisiana. The storm missed hitting New Orleans directly, but caused massive damage, flooding city streets and battering the roof of the city's Superdome stadium.(AFP/Getty Images/Mario Tama)

Man paddles near two half-submerged houses in the Garden district of New Orleans. rescuers searched flooded neighborhoods and shattered buildings along the trail of devastation Hurricane Katrina left along much of the US Gulf coast.(AFP/James Nielsen)

A dog waits on the side roof of a house to be rescued by workers after Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, Louisiana. Damage estimates have climbed into the billions of dollars, making Katrina one of the costliest storms ever to hit the United States.(AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)

A young man walks through chest deep flood water after looting a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday. (AP/Dave Martin)

New Orleans residents walk through floodwaters that besiege the Crescent City on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Hurricane Katrina devastated the Louisiana and Mississippi coasts when it came ashore on Monday. (AP Photo/Bill Haber)

A man walks through the flooded Treme area of New Orleans, lying under several feet of water after Hurricane Katrina hit August 29, 2005. Hurricane Katrina ripped into the U.S. Gulf Coast on Monday, battering the historic jazz city New Orleans, swamping resort towns and lowlands with a crushing surge of seawater and stranding people on rooftops. Photo by Rick Wilking/Reuters

The city of New Orleans is inundated with water on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

Residents wait atop a roof as floodwaters from Hurricane Katrina fill the streets of New Orleans Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)

Flood waters from Hurricane Katrina fill the streets near downtown New Orleans Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005 in New Orleans. Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/David J. Phillip)

Looters make their way into and out of a grocery store in New Orleans on Tuesday, Aug. 30, 2005. Flood waters continue to rise in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina did extensive damage when it made landfall on Monday. (AP Photo/Dave Martin)

Ronald Wood is rescued from his home in New Orleans, Louisiana after Hurricane Katrina made landfall. 2005 is on track to be the worst-ever year for hurricanes, according to experts measuring ocean temperatures and trade winds.(AFP/James Nielsen)

Wal-Mart Stores Inc. on Tuesday said 123 of its U.S. stores, or 3.3 percent, were closed due to Hurricane Katrina, many because of power outages. The closures included both Wal-Mart and Sam's Club stores, a spokeswoman said, adding that two distribution centers were also closed. It was too early to say what financial impact the shutdowns would have. Ninety-seven of the closings were due to power outages. Local curfews were also impacting stores. The company is sending generators to places where power will likely be a continuing issue. A train crossing light downed as Hurricane Katrina hit downtown Gulfport, Mississippi August 29, 2005. REUTERS/Frank Polich

People gather to watch an oil rig that broke apart in drydock during Hurricane Katrina and is stuck on the Cochrane-Africatown USA Bridge over the Mobile River Tuesday Aug. 30, 2005, in Mobile, Ala. (AP Photo/Rob Carr)

Jonathan Harvey wades through flood waters after rescuing his dog 'Cuddles' from his flooded home after Hurricane Katrina struck the Gulf Coast Monday in Gulfport, Miss. (AP/John Bazemore)

David Diaz (L) and his brother Jesus Diaz walk among the rubble of about 30 Sadler Apartments and 100 St Charles Condonimums that were obliterated by Hurricane Katrina August 29, 2005. 'We're looking for our house,' said Jesus Diaz as he clutched a small box, his only possession left. Hurricane Katrina ripped into the U.S. Gulf Coast on Monday, stranding people on rooftops as it pummeled the historic jazz city New Orleans with 100 mph winds and swamped Mississippi resort towns and lowlands with a crushing surge of seawater. Photo by Mark Wallheiser/Reuters

A view of the Sadler Apartments in Biloxi, Mississippi after Hurricane Katrina destroyed them and close to 100 condominiums on the Biloxi waterfront August 29, 2005. Hurricane Katrina ripped into the U.S. Gulf Coast on Monday, stranding people on rooftops as it pummeled the historic jazz city New Orleans with 100 mph (160 kph) winds and swamped Mississippi resort towns and lowlands with a crushing surge of seawater. REUTERS/Mark Wallheiser

A family sits on their porch in the Treme area of New Orleans, which lies under several feet of water after Hurricane Katrina hit August 29, 2005. Hurricane Katrina ripped into the U.S. Gulf Coast on Monday, battering the historic jazz city New Orleans, swamping resort towns and lowlands with a crushing surge of seawater and stranding people on rooftops. (Rick Wilking/Reuters)

People walk amidst the remains of the St Charles Condominiums and Sadler Apartments in Biloxi, Mississippi, August 29, 2005, which were pushed up between the private homes on St Charles Street by the storm surge from Hurricane Katrina. Hurricane Katrina ripped into the U.S. Gulf Coast on Monday, stranding people on rooftops as it pummeled the historic jazz city New Orleans with 100 mph winds and swamped Mississippi resort towns and lowlands with a crushing surge of seawater. Photo by Mark Wallheiser/Reuters

A man riding in an improvised boat paddles past submerged trucks in New Orleans. Rescue crews worked frantically to save hundreds of people trapped by floodwaters from Hurricane Katrina, which devastated the US Gulf Coast states of Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama and reportedly left dozens of people dead(AFP/James Nielsen)

Adeline Perkins carries her dog, Princess, as Lynell Batiste carries Timmy while Kewanda Batiste and Ulysses Batiste swim through the flood waters from their Lacombe, La. home. (AP Photo/Mari Darr~Welch)

Two residents wade through chest-deep water after finding bread and soda from a local grocery store after Hurricane Katrina came through the area in New Orleans, Louisiana.(AFP/Getty Images/Chris Graythen)

Emergency personnel rescue residents from submerged houses in New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina made landfall causing widespread damage and flooding in New Orleans and other cities on the southern Gulf Coast of the United States(AFP/James Nielsen)

A man puts his baby on top of his car as he and a woman abandon their car after it started to float when Hurricane Katrina hit the Treme area of New Orleans August 29, 2005. The White House said Monday it was willing to use the government's emergency oil stockpile to help refiners hurt by Hurricane Katrina's rampage through the Gulf of Mexico, but that it was too early to decide if or how much crude should be released. The storm slammed into New Orleans on Monday with winds of 135 mph (216 kph), shutting 91 percent of the normal 1.5 million barrels per day of crude oil production in the Gulf Coast region. (Rick Wilking/Reuters)

Lima · Post by **Lima** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 2:58 am

I'm astonished. Today I listen that will be sent some special forces with the license to kill.

People are dying and it's very sad seeing the most acclaimed democracy in world trying to resolve this terrible situation in this way.

I hope that no soldier will never shot one single bullet against people: that's the last thing I want to see.

Sincerely, good luck for everyone there

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:11 am

Hmm, yeah, nice thoughts, but when people take advantage of a breakdown in order to just go on a robbing spree ....

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 3:45 am

Spirit wrote:
Hmm, yeah, nice thoughts, but when people take advantage of a breakdown in order to just go on a robbing spree ....

Um, really I think it's more to do with the fact that people have run out of food and water (most likely it was the poorer people who were left/stayed behind) and have been completely abandoned by their government.

The US government was coming under very harsh criticism from the British media yesterday and rightly so. Police left stranded in the city are now helping the looters themselves as they have a) lost the chain of command system and b) are probbaly starving themselves. As one man put it, "the police have looted all the good stuff - they're the worst offenders". Law of the Gun, eh?

The US government seem to be devoting their efforts to "maintining order" rather than feeding people, getting water to them, evactuating them, dealing with the dead (to prevcent disease) etc. etc. etc.

Far poorer countries (e.g. Bangladesh) deal with worse flooding is a far superior way than this!

They had plenty of advance warning of the hurricane. It has now been FIVE days since the hurricane struck and still no help has been sent.

And this is the country which should, "police the world"? Incredible.

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Fri Sep 02, 2005 5:41 am

stardust wrote:

First of all I dont understand why Americanos should be different to other country's citizens when under an existential threat ?
Bangladeshies are humans just as Americans are.

I have absolutely no idea what point to are trying to make here.

Secondly politics in general and in particular in the home of the brave are not made for the poor but for the eltes and the money.

Same as any other country then. However, a smarter state would realise that it's the poor which underpin society, so if the rich wanna stay rich, they'd better help save the poor

Royston