Mixing

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:38 am

I need to have Scope Effects on separate channels in Sonar 4. What is the procedure?

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 11:54 am

Close Sonar, increase the number of ASIO channels in the Scope routing window, connect those channels to a mixer, open Sonar, route the desired tracks to the desired ASIO channels, and put Scope effects on those channels.

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Fri Dec 09, 2005 1:56 pm

I am using the 24/48 mixer.

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 4:28 am

I am using the 24/48 mixer. I used different channels as you suggested but the efects still comes down on the main mix. All channels plays back the same effect. I need some more clarification on this. I have ben trying to mix with Scope for a long while now but this issue keeps haunting me.

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djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:26 am

the first thing to do is to select the asio scope from the sonar settings.
The second is to assign to each mixer channel of sonar the output correspondig to the asio channel you want to use.

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 6:27 am

p.s. you must use insert effects on stm mixer

Kymeia · Post by **Kymeia** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:48 am

Will Sonar (or other host) record the Scope effects when set up this way?

Is it possible to see a pic of this setup please?

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nprime · Post by **nprime** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 8:58 am

Just route the master outs back to a stereo track in sonar.

R

Kymeia · Post by **Kymeia** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:10 am

I tried that but got a feedback loop

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:12 am

just mute the audiotrack when recording.

Post by **garyb** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 11:11 am

don't monitor through sonar and then the only possible feedback would be from the open mic hearing your monitors. in that case, either don't send the live track to the mixbus or better, use headphones. in fact, just mix in scope. you can still automate volumes, mutes and sends in sonar, but mix the tracks in scope. then each track and aux and bus gets its own track in scope and you can do what you want. the advantage in in audio quality. for tracking monitor the main mixbus from sonar in scope(not individual track) for simplicity. then monitor everything else all external and internal sources on the scope mixer. the advantage, flexibilty and ease of one point monitoring. get the habit and it should all be clear.....

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Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 12:45 pm

I think I need to see a picture or a project of the setting. I keep getting the inserted effects on the entire mix. I need to have them on individual channels.

Kymeia · Post by **Kymeia** » Sun Dec 11, 2005 2:51 am

On 2005-12-10 11:11, garyb wrote:
don't monitor through sonar and then the only possible feedback would be from the open mic hearing your monitors. in that case, either don't send the live track to the mixbus or better, use headphones. in fact, just mix in scope. you can still automate volumes, mutes and sends in sonar, but mix the tracks in scope. then each track and aux and bus gets its own track in scope and you can do what you want. the advantage in in audio quality. for tracking monitor the main mixbus from sonar in scope(not individual track) for simplicity. then monitor everything else all external and internal sources on the scope mixer. the advantage, flexibilty and ease of one point monitoring. get the habit and it should all be clear.....

[ This Message was edited by: garyb on 2005-12-10 11:16 ]

OK but if you don't use Sonar (or for that matter any hosts) internal monitoring surely you also won't hear their own effects if you apply them (or even VSTi's?) - isn't this the downside to direct monitoring in Cubase SX for example - you can't use software fx with it.

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 12:43 am

Anyone. Is it possible. It's the only thing on the Scope Platform that is bugging me.

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:03 am

it's the same thing of mixing with external mixer, the important issue is do not mix the output of the audio track where you are recording.
To make You an example, i have a project in sonar with 10 stereo mixer tracks, each track is routed to a different bus, from asio 1/2 to asio 19/20 and i'm mixing every of these track in a separate channel of the stm 2448.
When i want to make a mixdown, i must follow the following steps:
1) inside the scope routing window, i connect the mix output of the stm to the asio 1/2 destination
2) inside sonar i create a new stereo audio track assigning asio 1/2 as input and muting the track.
3) arm the recording for the created track and i'm ready for recording.

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djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 1:14 am

if you want to route a channel of the stm mixer using vst or dx effects (for example a scope synthesizer) follow these steps:

1) enable direct outputs on stm mixer
2) on the stm channel to be processed in sonar or sx or whatever, disable the mix output.

3)connect the direct output of the channel to the asio destination, for example, use the asio 1/2 for the mix output of the stm and the asio 3/4 for processing this channel.

4) in sonar, create a new audio track and choose asio 3/4 as input channel, enable monitoring on this track and insert the effects you want.
5) assign a dedicated bus output to this track, for example asio 21/22 and connect it to a new channel of the stm mixer, but this time with the mix output activated.

6) when mixing down, connect the stm mix output to the asio 1/2 and in sonar create a new audio track, assigning it asio 1/2 as input and don't forget to mute this track during recording.

[ This Message was edited by: djmicron on 2005-12-12 01:17 ]

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:22 am

Could you send a picture or the preset?

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Mon Dec 12, 2005 10:28 am

ok,
tomorrow i'll post some project

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Tue Dec 13, 2005 12:22 pm

here 2 example, the first is a simple example for recording from the stm and the second is for recording from stm and processing a scope synth with native dx/vst effects.
Inside the project i've used the spdif out of the powersampler card, so, if you use for example adat or analog destinations, just replace it

http://www.djmicron.org/mixdownexample.rar

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Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:12 pm

Thanks. It worked. Must the channels be stereo?