The search for the 'God particle' is on at Cern

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:27 am

<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4524132.stm">Check this out</a>

Interesting? Oh yes

Suspiciously dangerous? Not sure !!

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 9:52 am

Particleadventure.org

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 1:32 pm

Totally agree with you Stardust.

What's on the back of my mind is this little nag or slightly worrying wonder, because they're actually going to recreate or simulate the conditions of the 'big bang' in their attempt to discover these hidden particles. This is a mind blowing concept.

There's no going wrong. They have to get it right first time, as getting it wrong as you can imagine, could be somewhat of a problem.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:54 pm

If they're too successful, or perhaps manage to "step down" the energy state of a point in space which then ripples outward, we won't know about it. The Earth will be dust again in nanoseconds.

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 4:35 am

Yeh, either that or half of the facility workforce will end up melted into the metal walls, arms, legs, ears etc all merged with other objects after space & time being warped or bent.

who knows.. it's theoretical territory

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 5:53 am

This is what I've been waiting for the past 30 years: hyperspace drive (courtesy of yet another German rocket scientist).

http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/mg18925331.200

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:16 am

Amazing stuff, I'll be keeping an eye on that !

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:47 am

"...recreating the conditions in the Universe moments after the Big Bang."

*sigh*

The big bang is a continuous event!

'nuff

Royston

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:04 am

The BigBang was the moment when the energy started to transform into mass, I think this is what BingoBango means

No seriously, prior to the BigBang there was only one point of concentrated energy. When that point exploded, all the particles started to interact with eachother creating atoms and, eventually, stars. That's why they now try to "tear" apart the atom to find out what is made of, because finding out that means finding out what were the conditions moments after BigBang.

What I find amazing is how much in common we have, we all the life on Earth, with the matter in the Universe. We are all made of same atoms found in stars or stelar dust clouds, nebulae.

On a side note, the scientists now believe that even the empty space is quantized. In other words, the empty space can only be divided into certain miniscule amounts and it is not continuous like it was believed in the past (in other words infinitely divisible in small amounts).

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:36 am

Very impressive indeed! Now, the fourth dimension is something that has been discovered long time ago, but science never opened this door to people because of the strong interests there are in between. Unfortunately because we want to know! But…

Experiments about the fourth dimension have been performed for more than 50 years now. Of course, the ones that are done nowadays are truly advanced compared with those of early days, as technology has advanced greatly. The point is that they started with this long, long time ago.

The big theory of the big bang is just this, a big theory… there is nothing still proved about it, it’s only speculations. The contradictions about the contraction and expansion of matter are so important, that the theory itself is wrongly based upon, it doesn’t stand up. This theory will destroy itself in a few years, as suggested by some scientists.

Getting into quantum mechanics principles you understand that everything about this theory is a lot of what a particular group of scientists have wanted to see, rather than what they have truly seen. In fact, the theory has been based in speculation and not discovery. When speculation surpasses discovery in a large amount, theories are most of the time wrong. Only time, and much experimentation will tell.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 9:57 am

On 2006-01-16 08:36, Nestor wrote:
Now, the fourth dimension is something that has been discovered long time ago, but science never opened this door to people because of the strong interests there are in between.

What door? The fourth dimension is simply the time!

Experiments about the fourth dimension have been performed for more than 50 years now.

Any links?

The big theory of the big bang is just this, a big theory… there is nothing still proved about it, it’s only speculations.

All the galaxies are moving apart with increasing speed. That is the proof that BigBang took place.

This theory will destroy itself in a few years, as suggested by some scientists.

Links?

Getting into quantum mechanics principles you understand that everything about this theory is a lot of what a particular group of scientists have wanted to see, rather than what they have truly seen. In fact, the theory has been based in speculation and not discovery. When speculation surpasses discovery in a large amount, theories are most of the time wrong. Only time, and much experimentation will tell.

This sounds more like another speculation to me!
The presence of particles found in the atom are detected using huge particle accelerators that speed 2 atoms towards each other at speeds close to speed of light. The resulting colision produces all sorts of other particles that make the atom, like for example quarks, neutrinos etc. There is no speculation involved with that, all these particles leave traces that are recorded and then analyzed.

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:17 am

I don't think things will become "believable" because I give you some links...

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:35 am

I agree.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:35 am

Anayway, here you have some, and to follow what I say, you'll need to go through, it is very interesting if you have the time:

One of the pionners on this:

http://www.chem.ox.ac.uk/icl/heyes/Lant ... ookes.html

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:39 am

More about William Crookes:

http://www.acmi.net.au/AIC/CROOKES_BIO.html

http://www.sirwilliam.org/html/Sir%20_William.htm

http://chemistry.mtu.edu/~pcharles/SCIH ... ookes.html

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:03 am

Now here you have some about somebody in the same line, who experimented much with the fourth dimension, Oliver Lodge:

http://chemistry.mtu.edu/~pcharles/SCIH ... ookes.html

http://www.thepotteries.org/focus/003.htm

http://www.viking-z.org/alodge.htm

http://www.spiritwritings.com/oliverjosephlodge.html

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 11:04 am

Some amazing books to read about:

http://www.arthur-findlay.com/pages/arthursbooks.html

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 2:42 pm

I followed Spirit's link and must admit I find the 6 to 12 dimensional concepts of <a href=http://www.engon.de/protosimplex/index_e.htm>Burkhard Heim</a> much more appealing - though not exactly 'followable' for my humble mind

Exceptionally talented anyway, his mental capabilities were probably even emphasized by a terrible accident that left him almost blind, deaf and without forearms.

I never heard or read about this guy, thanks for the link

cheers, Tom

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Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Mon Jan 16, 2006 6:01 pm

Ha ! I was able to understand the index and that was about it...

If I could see a hyperdrive in my lifetime it would be one of the highlpoints of my life. It would be good to live through a huge technical innovation - like in past years for people with electricity, cars, planes, radio, antibiotics etc. Our age has computers, but they're pretty low on the excitement index

If this theory works out perhaps people will then say we could have had hyperdrive in 1970.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Jan 17, 2006 2:47 am

Yes, by the sounds of things if others had followed Heim's theories, we may well have had.

If we'd had that advancement in the 70's it makes you wonder what we'd be like now !!

Bladerunner skyskapes might have looked like a medieval village