maybe hubird, but negativity = negativity & positivity = positivity. Stardust & Sharc both had positive things to say about this machine, which one would not only hope for but, expect given the machines capabilities. Astro, on the other hand, although pointing out a certain fact about Soundart's financial problems is quite obviously being overly critical for some reason.
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Soundart publish panel protocol for their Chameleon programm
Shroomz, I've already commented the box in 2003 - and I'll take this opportunity to correct a mistake I made back then:
The Chameleon has a 56303 and the gear I compared it to only had a 56301. Just for completeness, it wasn't part of this thread.
Other than that I didn't comment the machine and it's capabilities at all.
I made some remarks about it's user base, tho - and there are few reason to not do this.
It's nothing but food for thought anyway.
If 'sound' is the main concern (with customizable tools reaching from CWA's Mod w/out Flexor, the NordMod to Reaktor) - then the question IS justfied what people who obviously refuse those tools want to achieve with custom DSP programming, even more as most are beginners
This request for a general 'custom coding' (even mentioned in this thread) is an ever repeating item (to name it politely)
it's quite misleading about system capabilities - as you won't miss a thing
and about the difficulty to deal with items on that level at all.
I never claimed that I have special coding skills in this domain (god beware!), but I've had enough idea exchange with 'true' experts to know how to judge it from a timely and economic position - and I CAN read that stuff and make sense of it.
if the intro of the thread suggests a (whatsoever) huge advantage of such a box (which it certainly has in SOME cases), then it's a valid addition to ask those questions.
It's not dissing for dissing's sake.
I even bet that the 'vanity' argument hits the nail on the head - it's really nothing special, I've observed similiar things in sports dozens of times
people simply aren't able to admit it freely...
my critical point at the 'buying-at-sellout-prices' mentality is even a positive comment about the company behind this box.
Am I supposed to stand in the corner and laugh at their failure, only because their product isn't exactly my (personal) cup of tea ?
Eventually they are in the same business as me (more or less)
cheers, Tom
The Chameleon has a 56303 and the gear I compared it to only had a 56301. Just for completeness, it wasn't part of this thread.
Other than that I didn't comment the machine and it's capabilities at all.
I made some remarks about it's user base, tho - and there are few reason to not do this.
It's nothing but food for thought anyway.
If 'sound' is the main concern (with customizable tools reaching from CWA's Mod w/out Flexor, the NordMod to Reaktor) - then the question IS justfied what people who obviously refuse those tools want to achieve with custom DSP programming, even more as most are beginners
This request for a general 'custom coding' (even mentioned in this thread) is an ever repeating item (to name it politely)
it's quite misleading about system capabilities - as you won't miss a thing
and about the difficulty to deal with items on that level at all.
I never claimed that I have special coding skills in this domain (god beware!), but I've had enough idea exchange with 'true' experts to know how to judge it from a timely and economic position - and I CAN read that stuff and make sense of it.
if the intro of the thread suggests a (whatsoever) huge advantage of such a box (which it certainly has in SOME cases), then it's a valid addition to ask those questions.
It's not dissing for dissing's sake.
I even bet that the 'vanity' argument hits the nail on the head - it's really nothing special, I've observed similiar things in sports dozens of times
people simply aren't able to admit it freely...
my critical point at the 'buying-at-sellout-prices' mentality is even a positive comment about the company behind this box.
Am I supposed to stand in the corner and laugh at their failure, only because their product isn't exactly my (personal) cup of tea ?
Eventually they are in the same business as me (more or less)
cheers, Tom
The thread was meant to inform any Chameleon users in these parts, IE :- PlanetZ (which I think there are a few) about new developements which allow custom panels to be added.
In truth Tom I don't care what you think any more. This thread certainly wasn't designed for the all-knowing astroman to throw his opinion around about other platforms and programmers (not me) trying to realise & create things. You put down positive people doing positive things.
Nobody cares wheather it's your cup of tea or not, but they do become accustomed to you voicing such opinions at any given opertunity.
In truth Tom I don't care what you think any more. This thread certainly wasn't designed for the all-knowing astroman to throw his opinion around about other platforms and programmers (not me) trying to realise & create things. You put down positive people doing positive things.
Nobody cares wheather it's your cup of tea or not, but they do become accustomed to you voicing such opinions at any given opertunity.
bullsh*t
everyone can read the news in the first topic and that's about it.
the first response read like this
you're not the moderator btw, as you've attempted more than once - and as you may have noticed even me s*cker once respected your private wish as you intended on it
it's not my fault that you make a drama of every opinion different from your own - your language perfectly reflects your level of arguments - waffler, tosser... what's your next dictionary surprise ?
It was Sharc (sorry to quote you in this context) who mentioned ... I wish such a developement possibility existed for Scope...
discussions are extended like this - and in fact it doesn't matter if you care about my opinion or not.
I don't need your applause or anyone else's and I'm far from considering me all-knowing.
That is YOUR interpretion - go figure out yourself what that means.
cheers, tom
everyone can read the news in the first topic and that's about it.
the first response read like this
that kind of means opening a discussionOn 2006-01-13 13:09, stardust wrote:
some nice sound examples.
but there is zero integration to the computer. Only one synth has a vsti GUI (but only for sending midi controls to the rack box ):(
And it loads only one skin at a time
And it takes one minute to load one
Needs some rework
you're not the moderator btw, as you've attempted more than once - and as you may have noticed even me s*cker once respected your private wish as you intended on it
it's not my fault that you make a drama of every opinion different from your own - your language perfectly reflects your level of arguments - waffler, tosser... what's your next dictionary surprise ?
It was Sharc (sorry to quote you in this context) who mentioned ... I wish such a developement possibility existed for Scope...
discussions are extended like this - and in fact it doesn't matter if you care about my opinion or not.
I don't need your applause or anyone else's and I'm far from considering me all-knowing.
That is YOUR interpretion - go figure out yourself what that means.
cheers, tom
Man why be so defensive about your synths? Is this business the same as supporting a football team? I got the same vibe when I made a few personal comments about the Hartmann Neuron. Positivity/negativity are one thing, but it's very easy to rise above what you perceive as attacks - don't get so defensive about them.
Anyway thanks for the heads up Shroomz.. our Chameleon is sitting unused at the moment but I keep meaning to power it up sometime and load up some new skins.
Anyway thanks for the heads up Shroomz.. our Chameleon is sitting unused at the moment but I keep meaning to power it up sometime and load up some new skins.
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Jeez, astroman and shroomz are like matter and antimatter! Is there no way to peacefully coexist?
I wonder if you two met in person how you would relate and interact? I imagine it would be a much more conciliatory interraction.
Please try to avoid the vitriol. It becomes embarassing to observe.
Thanks guys...
-John
I wonder if you two met in person how you would relate and interact? I imagine it would be a much more conciliatory interraction.
Please try to avoid the vitriol. It becomes embarassing to observe.
Thanks guys...
-John
well John, here's the non-content part of a few personal messages I received by Shroomz
cheers, Tom
no reason to get exited...I'm ...
...
take care m8 & no offence meant with my sacrcasm & humour
regards,M
Yeh, I asked John ...
Yes, we're all full of good ideas & good at talking (sometimes too good)
see you on Z
best regards,M
Hi Tom, could you please do me a massive favour? (i know I don't deserve it)...
Thanks in advance if you can help me out & ...
cheers m8
C U on Z !!
cheers, Tom
John, matter and antimatter is a perfect description. I hope there is a way to peacefully coexist, because It can't continue as it is. Probably best avoiding oneanother completely & I doubt we'd get on well in person.
... "vitriol" edited slip of the finger, sorry.
Thanks for intervening John. You know the right time when you see it.
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... "vitriol" edited slip of the finger, sorry.
Thanks for intervening John. You know the right time when you see it.
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Darkresin, you are correct 
Hope you get your Chamy switched on too. There's Control Freak patches available for Entity (now polyphonic) & MonowaveII. They were posted on the forum. Someone just announced a new VSTi editor for MonowaveII as well. It's due out by Friday.
[ed] I took out the image link to save your bandwidth Sharc [/ed]
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Hope you get your Chamy switched on too. There's Control Freak patches available for Entity (now polyphonic) & MonowaveII. They were posted on the forum. Someone just announced a new VSTi editor for MonowaveII as well. It's due out by Friday.
[ed] I took out the image link to save your bandwidth Sharc [/ed]
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Hey, thanks for the publicity. This is my work 
Introducing VST & VSTi versions of my first virtual Chameleon control interface created in SynthEdit...
<a href="http://www.pixelbites.com/MW2/MW2Control.rar">Monowave II Control</a>
<a href="http://www.pixelbites.com/MW2/mw2contro ... eenshot</a>
Features:-
... choice of VST or VSTi versions for loading as an 'instrument' or 'effect' in a compatible VST host.
... full integration into VST host automation tested in SX & AbLive.
... 128 user presets within VST host with ability to load & save banks on your
computer (not in Chamy yet)
... All virtual knobs update the virtual LCD in realtime. IE:- move any knob & it's parameter section, name & value are displayed in realtime with coresponding value ranges.
... More than 50% of the controls are controllable with external hardware midi
controllers via corresponding CC's. Contact me if needed for a detailed list of these, as I still need to add them to the ReadMe.
... Virtual LCD animation uses 4ms smoothing for ultra fast parameter value feedback.
... All 'available' MonowaveII control parameters on screen at once.
... When changing presets within the VST or VSTi, all corresponding CC values for the patch will be 'sent out' the instant you change a preset..
... It's free !
Chameleon users Enjoy
Stay tuned for more, as I'm planning on producing some similar free VST & VSTi 'control surfaces' for certain Scope devices & certain Mod III patches when I'm finished my current projects. They'll be lightweight & should be very usefull for some people.
cheers,
Sharc
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Introducing VST & VSTi versions of my first virtual Chameleon control interface created in SynthEdit...
<a href="http://www.pixelbites.com/MW2/MW2Control.rar">Monowave II Control</a>
<a href="http://www.pixelbites.com/MW2/mw2contro ... eenshot</a>
Features:-
... choice of VST or VSTi versions for loading as an 'instrument' or 'effect' in a compatible VST host.
... full integration into VST host automation tested in SX & AbLive.
... 128 user presets within VST host with ability to load & save banks on your
computer (not in Chamy yet)
... All virtual knobs update the virtual LCD in realtime. IE:- move any knob & it's parameter section, name & value are displayed in realtime with coresponding value ranges.
... More than 50% of the controls are controllable with external hardware midi
controllers via corresponding CC's. Contact me if needed for a detailed list of these, as I still need to add them to the ReadMe.
... Virtual LCD animation uses 4ms smoothing for ultra fast parameter value feedback.
... All 'available' MonowaveII control parameters on screen at once.
... When changing presets within the VST or VSTi, all corresponding CC values for the patch will be 'sent out' the instant you change a preset..
... It's free !
Chameleon users Enjoy
Stay tuned for more, as I'm planning on producing some similar free VST & VSTi 'control surfaces' for certain Scope devices & certain Mod III patches when I'm finished my current projects. They'll be lightweight & should be very usefull for some people.
cheers,
Sharc
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Sharc this is awesome but the presets only work during a session or when saved with a Cubase project. The facility to save & load a bank of 128 presets within the VST doesn't seem to work properly for some reason. I've only tried it in SX. No big deal, as it still works well & like I said you can always save the entire Cabase project which will save the current preset bank in the VST.
Thanks for this interface.
Thanks for this interface.