The limitless limits of computer generated music

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:34 am

Stewart Copeland is a drummer who uses quantized computer drums. In this very interesting interview he says "People love mechanical beats". You can hear him talk about electronic music and scoring movie soundtracks at:

http://www.podscope.com/frameplayer.php ... q=copeland

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:58 am

Stewart didn't say to which proportion people love mechanised beats, and to which slice of society he was referring to. There is a whole lot of difference between people who populate a dance floor and old coots like me.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:04 am

On 2006-03-26 07:58, paulrmartin wrote:
Stewart didn't say to which proportion people love mechanised beats

Good point, of course, I too like mechanised beats, of course, but (read up)

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Post by **garyb** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:01 pm

i like beats, on the other hand i don't like beets.

one has to have an idea first, no? even if the idea comes after hearing a sound...it's the idea that makes it music rather than noise, or if you prefer, just sound.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 5:21 pm

Music it's not just a bunch of sounds that make you feel well, sad, strested, happy, etc., but the most powerful language available and posible. I have sustained it for ages, and I start to understand in deapth why... Music resides in nature, and reflects the hidden laws existing within it. It has the power to reproduce anything existing in the universe, absolutely any human experience.

Whaterver resides in nature cannot be music unless a human mind gives it a meaning. For example, the saccaded sound of the train wheels would not mean anything by itself without a human ear, a mind and emotions that will give that sound a meaning. The human experiences create music by mimicking sounds found in nature.
By the way did I mentioned why we humans love so much the ryhtmic beats of songs? Because those sounds are mimicking the sound of the hearth beat to which we where very close to as developing fetuses while in our mothers wombs.

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 6:46 pm

Well, I think this statement about rhythm is a bit too simple perhaps. I would give rhythm a much deeper sense of being that that. This theory sounds to me like the typical medical conclusion mixed with some anthropological speculations. There are so many of those speculations that change every year that it is difficult to believe in them just like thisâ€¦ sometimes they are deluded assumptions, I would call them guesswork imagination. I think that we are, in regard to understanding â€œsoundâ€

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 7:29 pm

On 2006-03-26 18:46, Nestor wrote:

Rhythm is implicit in the entire cosmos as well, not only in human begins hearts.

I don't have time to waste on all the bullshit that you mentioned, I just picked this one sentence.
Of course the rythms of Cosmos influenced the life rythms on Earth, and the human hearth beat proves that it is following the beat patterns of the Universe (it EVOLVED).

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:45 pm

I thought we were having a constructive conversation. Well, I am sure I am having this with the rest of the participants.

Now, if you donâ€™t have time to read about what we write and you consider it bullshit, you are doing very well, as you actually had time to â€œreadâ€

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:03 pm

thought we were having a constructive conversation.

I hate breaking your heart however I won't be a hypocrite and tell you that I agree with all the bullshit that you wrote just because you wrote it in a "pretty", confusing tone...

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wayne · Post by **wayne** » Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:58 pm

havin' a real bad day!

I agree with Paul, Hindemith is the man - love his Sonata for Tuba and Piano

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 1:02 am

Way to go BingoTheClowno! Always a sign of great intelligence to insult people you don't agree with.

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miguel · Post by **miguel** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 4:47 am

Bingo, I see Nestor was knocking some of your ideas, so to a degree I can understand your later responses. But try to go back to the tone you had before. It was more in harmony with the rest of the thread. Don't lose te beat

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:22 am

It's refreshing to be harshly honest & vent real feelings & thoughts once in a while as the opposite is falseness in many cases, but it oddly doesn't pay to be 'blunt' around here, even when you're actually not intending to insult anyone as such.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 2:51 pm

I've heard a lot of creative people say that ideas come to them that somehow were floating around and they just happened to grab them. It's a romantic notion; one which has no basis in reality! The only place music exists is in the minds of human beings. We tend to create things in our powerful imaginations and then convince ourselves they are real. The concept of a God is a case in point.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:28 pm

Bingo:
Well my way of writing may perhaps be confusion, think this is maybe because English is my second language. If you were to write in Spanish about all these things, I think you would easily understand itâ€™s not easy. I whish I could express myself clearer than I do, but you should also consider that I probably did express myself correctly as others understood me. It doesnâ€™t matter really, I am not trying to convince you at all, so donâ€™t worry, these words are nothing but what I think, nothing else. My thoughts have no importance, itâ€™s perfect if you disagree with what I think and say, honestly.

I personally prefer to discus things in a friendly way. Kind of searching together and not against each other, you and me and whichever else may be involved in the conversation, answers, ways, new approaches, ideas, and learn from the answers found. My purpose is talking to each other about those philosophical music topics, to enjoy a moment of friendly talk, not to start a fight. I would like to ask you with respect, to be friendlier as I am not against your thoughts. I will not get into any word fights

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 5:55 pm

Braincel:
You have been talking about your very strong believe in non-believing, which is very clearly your religion, since the opening of the forum. Every time you have the slightest opportunity, you talk against peoples believes putting yourself well above the millions that believe, speaking without respect, about those that have a believe, even if you don't know them, even if you don't know their believes... You should start by realizing you are a believer by nature, as all the assertions you do against believes are false notions created by yourself and your own mind, they are nothing but believes themselves as those you criticise so hard. After so much criticism from your part, I don't feel uncomfortable telling you this at all in fact I feel the right of doing so. I think you have given us the right to answer openly.

Like the fish, you are not seen the water because you are deep into it. Your hate against religion and the idea that everybody believing in God is a romantic hallucination is so big that it takes your entire life and way of expressing ideas. Anyway, can you prove anything about your non-believing believe.? Of course not, you can't, so what is the point of saying to the believer that such and such is not real, if you yourself are in the exact same position?

You have offended people many times here in the forum with your thoughts against religiosity, I know them. I think that because of that it is perhaps time for you to think about it, and eventually bring this to a closeâ€¦ If you care about people, please do close it. I am not kidding, the way you speak is an aggression to people's lives and minds, and nevertheless it is absolutely useless Braincel, as nobody in the world will change their soul experiences because you are against them. You should realize that your words do harm people, I know. If you have your own believes, that's fine, so do I and so everybody does, but don't compare yourself against the whole of mankind as being a bunch of idiots underdeveloped human beings because they believe in God, I don't think you have the absolute truth in your hands to assert things the way you do. This is obviously, a quite pretentious way of speaking from your part man, putting yourself in a higher state of mind compared with the rest of us. Think about it, it is no fair Braincel.

I have refrained myself of writing this thoughts for quite a long time, but I got tired of your words today, truly. I think it is time for me to say what I am saying as you have given us the right to answer you clearly and in an open way, as open as your assertions are.

You know? I don't want to get into an endless discussion with you or anybody, there is no point on it, but want to ask you to please, express your ideas with some more respect, and if you can't, it is perhaps better not to talk about religion and related things of God.

Again, all I am saying is "please" don't, nothing else, I am not telling you what to do, if you want to continue with your way, do it, is up to you. Anyway, I am not the moderator of the forum or anything like that, just a member like you are.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:51 pm

nestor;

i see your point, allthough i do do not agree at all.

offcourse i DO understand that you have found a source of inspiration that you yourself think Braincell has not found himself. well:

First of all, as far as i can see, this is a forum which doesnt relate to politics or religion, but MUSIC. thats all. music IS, or at least CAN BE, a superb bridge between relations world wide.

if you (thats you) cant tolerate people with another view of life than yourself, well, im afraid that this forum is not more your place than the other guys (Braincell).

Please aknowledge DIVERSITY as a main thing for music to move forward.

I am atleast more offended by "spiritual ways to live life" than "do what u think is right"
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to put my mind straight i am even more offended by people telling me WHAT i should believe rather than telling me what i should NOT believe. (if you dont get this, please PM me)

I totally understand that your way of life is the correct one for you. but thats it. I cant tell you you are wrong. this is not the place to tell you either (and i have no intentions that way either).

keep this RANT off topic nestor.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:57 pm

oh and one more thing:

the spectre of what people find offensive, especially regarding religion, is so wide you cant really relate to it. what people find offensive is so utterly subjective that, even if you find your way oh-so-right, you are probarly right FOR YOURSELF, your "crew, but thats it.

That doesnt mean the rest of the world though, as have been clearly prooved.

God? Muhammed? atheist? Jesus? Buddah?
I dont give a flying fuck. this isnt the place for religion anyways. its about Scope and Music.

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BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:02 pm

On 2006-03-26 18:46, Nestor wrote:
Well, I think this statement about rhythm is a bit too simple perhaps. I would give rhythm a much deeper sense of being that that. This theory sounds to me like the typical medical conclusion mixed with some anthropological speculations. There are so many of those speculations that change every year that it is difficult to believe in them just like thisâ€¦ sometimes they are deluded assumptions, I would call them guesswork imagination.

In time with the music:The concept of entrainment and its significance for ethnomusicology

I appologize for insulting you by calling your comment "bullshit" however implying that a theory is "deluded" without offering any evidence to support the claim,in my oppinion, that amounts to bullshit.
Maybe you thought that the ideea is mine and thus you automatically labeled it as simple. If that was true, that would also amount to bullshit.

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:11 pm

Wow, it is amazing how distant can be the meaning of the written word to the interpretation people give to them!