The limitless limits of computer generated music

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:02 pm

On 2006-03-26 18:46, Nestor wrote:
Well, I think this statement about rhythm is a bit too simple perhaps. I would give rhythm a much deeper sense of being that that. This theory sounds to me like the typical medical conclusion mixed with some anthropological speculations. There are so many of those speculations that change every year that it is difficult to believe in them just like thisâ€¦ sometimes they are deluded assumptions, I would call them guesswork imagination.

In time with the music:The concept of entrainment and its significance for ethnomusicology

I appologize for insulting you by calling your comment "bullshit" however implying that a theory is "deluded" without offering any evidence to support the claim,in my oppinion, that amounts to bullshit.
Maybe you thought that the ideea is mine and thus you automatically labeled it as simple. If that was true, that would also amount to bullshit.

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:11 pm

Wow, it is amazing how distant can be the meaning of the written word to the interpretation people give to them!

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:18 pm

well if i got something wrong, please start another thread .

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next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:27 pm

On 2006-03-28 19:11, Nestor wrote:
Wow, it is amazing how distant can be the meaning of the written word to the interpretation people give to them!

yeah isnt it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Drawings

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:31 pm

Thank you for the offering Piddi - Please understand that I am not being sarcastic.

Thank you but no, there is no point to it. I have already said what I had to say and heard what I had to hear. I think we can use our time in a much creative way.

next to nothing · Post by **next to nothing** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 7:39 pm

i DO understand that you are not sarcastic.

me neither by the way. i have heard more than i wanted to and i am blessed with a closed mind.

now lets utilize diversity and make use of it in our creativity.

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Mar 28, 2006 8:22 pm

djmicron · Post by **djmicron** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:37 am

music is music,
words are words.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:38 am

On 2006-03-28 14:51, braincell wrote:
I've heard a lot of creative people say that ideas come to them that somehow were floating around and they just happened to grab them.

Actually, that is pretty much what I think although my compositional process rests on a lot of theoretical knowledge and just plain improvising in my head(I don't always have my computer around me these days because I found a job). If a melody or chord progression(or even some industrial rhythm I hear) works I jot it down and work on it as soon as I get to my workstation.

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 4:53 am

garyb wrote:
i like beats, on the other hand i don't like beets.

As Tom Robbins points out, "the beet is the most intense of all the vegetables". Beets rock!

Well, recently I've gone all unplugged. I'm opening up new musical worlds for myself by experimenting with different tunings (getting well into DADGAD at the moment) and a capo (never tried using one before now).

I also want to learn to play...wait for it...here it comes...the Ukulele!

I am finding it hard to find one which isn't a £10 joke instrument though

"Why a Ukulele, are you mad mate?"

Mad as a brick! However, SERIOUSLY, check this guy out:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 0638076087

"While My Guitar Gently Weeps" ON A UKULELE. Inspirational. Anybody got a Ukulele they want to sell?

Royston

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:29 am

Go the Dadgad & capo, Royston

wayne · Post by **wayne** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 5:34 am

Also, a mate of mine, Azo Bell, put out a uke record - here - he's

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Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 6:04 am

Royston, this video is amazing, how beautiful. The music is great and the player so fine, cheers... Good luck with your new instrument!

Post by **garyb** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 10:35 am

the uke is way cool!
one of my bandmate's father is a master uke player(japanese from hawaii) and his son is quite a fine player himself. the uke is not an easy instrument. there is a LOT of technique involved, in some ways much more so than guitar. it's quite a challenge. like the guitar however, quick and easy gratification is possible....

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Mar 29, 2006 1:08 pm

I guess that the guy playing in the video has not big hands, but he can handle big large chords anyway. Imagine somebody with Wayne's hands! Wow! You could do a chord from one side to the other of the neck, well, almost.

There is a similar instrumente here in Chile, called "Cuatro" that is, it is called like the number 4 in but in Spanish, it has four strings and it sounds quite similar in terms of timbre.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:30 am

Dear Nestor,

I'm sorry you feel threatened when someone disagrees with your view of reality. Most people think like you do and they are seldom challenged. It is time for people who have another view to speak up rather than remain silent. We all should have the right to express ourselves which I did in a civilized way as a reply to your musing about the nature of the universe.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 10:13 am

Most people who truely believe in one of the many many different religeons do not for one minute appreciate any suggestions about the dark & mysterious falseness of as many pharsical old stories. People believe what the want. As do sheep. It's all from the heart, but many hearts are misled & will never ever understand why.

No offence meant to anyone.

sharc · Post by **sharc** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 11:02 am

On 2006-03-30 10:13, Shroomz wrote:
Most people who truely believe in one of the many many different religeons do not for one minute appreciate any suggestions about the dark & mysterious falseness of as many pharsical old stories.

Maybe so, but whether the topic is music, religion or whatever else comes up for discussion here in the 'Off Topic' section of Z, it would be great if we could all share our beliefs without insulting others. It's not really that difficult. It's not like we HAVE TO rubbish someone elses point of view just to get our own across. What are we politicians or musicians? Although I've quoted Shroomz I mean this for everyone.

Now...Please can we all just get back on topic.

sharc · Post by **sharc** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 12:00 pm

As for 'The limitless limits of computer generated music' I agree that sometimes working with a more restricted pallete of sounds can make composing/producing a lot more fluidic. You don't get bogged down with trying to create the 'best sound ever' and all of a sudden you're making MUSIC again. I've found that this works for all sorts of instruments, from a guitar to a tb-303. It probably doesn't work this way for everyone, but I do agree that to some extent the sheer amount of instruments available to todays computer musician can get in the way of creativity. I think the key is to try and limit your instrumentation. You don't always have to use it all. It doesn't matter if you have a room full of synths or a Scope system full of synths the same rule applies. Less is More....Most of the time (with regards to music at least

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Mar 30, 2006 1:11 pm

yes, that's how one could describe the environmental conditions of 'making' music - and it's not too difficult to get used to the fact that only 3 of one's 25 synths are actually used in a track...

but imho it's all just too much focussed on 'music', which is of few concern to the majority of those readymade-loopers Nestor mentions.

They want to impress, they want to be cool and they want to be rich and famous - chicks for free of course...
It's a legitimate approach of making a living, but of course pretty boring if you're not among the impressed chicks

unfortunately 'music' is the term for any written down noise, from Amadeus to Zappa.
There's the craftsmenship, artistic expression, intellectual sensation of the notes - but there's also the dance and body sensation as simply a part of the mating ritual of the homo-I-dunno-what species.

it's all about sex

and since the majority of those under a some age are probably more interested in engaging the lower than the upper parts of the body the simple facts of life apply...

...and it obviously never stops as the recent mentioning of a certain Alessandra by a (self-confessed) not-so-young member of this board shows

cheers, Tom
(btw agrees on the cutie)