Granular Synthesis

David · Post by **David** » Sat Aug 24, 2002 5:38 pm

I would like to see a granular synthesis device/module. I have requested this before and had varying responses as to the possibility of such a device on this platform. Still I'll keep asking in the hope that someone may work it out and relase one.

FreiFlug · Post by **FreiFlug** » Tue Sep 10, 2002 2:33 pm

Good idea!

olivar1 · Post by **olivar1** » Wed Oct 23, 2002 5:38 pm

I am dreaming of granular synthesis !
Few years ago I used my hardware sampler (EMU ESI4000) to to do some sort of granular synthesis based on a vocal sample. I used the ability of the ESI4k to chose the start ing point of the sample depending of the velocity. then with a midi analog type sequencer, I send notes and play on the velocity.
sooooooo
what would be great is a sample player for the modular that can have the starting point of the sample modulated.

Jngaelin · Post by **Jngaelin** » Fri Nov 29, 2002 12:05 am

I sat up all night yesterday and thaught about a granular synth for Pulsar.

I would really want that.
Please....

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sat Jun 24, 2006 10:05 pm

On 2002-10-23 18:38, olivar1 wrote:
I am dreaming of granular synthesis !
Few years ago I used my hardware sampler (EMU ESI4000) to to do some sort of granular synthesis based on a vocal sample. I used the ability of the ESI4k to chose the start ing point of the sample depending of the velocity. then with a midi analog type sequencer, I send notes and play on the velocity.
sooooooo
what would be great is a sample player for the modular that can have the starting point of the sample modulated.

Four years later and we still don't have it.

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Jimmy V.

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Post by **garyb** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 12:32 am

doesn't flexor have granular modules?

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 3:52 am

Yes,
But the one that Olivar1 speaks of is a modulation which could control the starting points on a sample within the sample Oscillator, which I do believe is not available yet.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 4:49 am

that's correct and John Bowen confirms this in another thread.
Yet I wouldn't consider it a specific feature of granular synthesis - you wouldn't call an Akai S-612 a granular synth, would you ?

I'd also appreciate it a modulation target

cheers, Tom

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dawman · Post by **dawman** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:43 am

Could that be considered as a bi-directional target? I use to use reverse envelopes, like the Hendrix solos on The Cry Of Love LP, and also Are You Experienced LP. You could get some nifty lead, and segue sounds. My favorite old sample was one of the first attempts at reverse, and granular re-arranging using these techniques. It was the Emu sample called Fairlight Moods. It sounded like a three note ( root,fifth,octave ) reverse ARP string pad with a beautiful reverse chorusing, it was my favorite sample 4 years. I was so green then, I thought that it was a Fairlight CMI, when all it was, was an attempt to manipulate sound like the NED Synclavier's, and Fairlight CMI's could
do then. Boy am I glad I never bought into one of those, It would be obsolete, and they had 15 year payment plans 4 the less fortunate.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Sun Jun 25, 2006 8:54 am

Some people take sarcasm to different levels (and that's saying something coming from a sarcasm lover)

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 1:47 pm

Curious about what granular synthesis really is. I kind of rellay understand most of the other older synthesis structure (substractive, FM, Phase Distortion, Wave Table).
But I still wonder about the principle of this granular synth.

PS: 100e post for me !!!

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Jun 27, 2006 2:34 pm

Think of spliced and re-arranged sound. Kyma Capybara on Symbolic Sound website has an excellant audio sample, and does all of it's audio in real time. It is also DSP based.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:38 am

A brief explanation & links to some granular synthesis software >>> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Granular_s ... nthesis</a>

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:15 pm

I would just like to thank you for that usefull links.

From what I understand the Granuler synthesis is mainly based on sample processing.
From what I read somewhere else, both NOAH and ASB could not manage samples (especially user samples loading) which make it difficult to achieve a STS5000 ASB.
The problem from what I guess is mainly around dynamic DSP code loading (the reason why a modular ASB seems also to be difficult).
Any more information about that topic would be welcome.

HUROLURA · Post by **HUROLURA** » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:18 pm

What about the GrainMiller from adern:

http://adern.com/home/modules.php?name= ... eview&id=6