Tape recorder

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 6:13 pm

1 i would like use scope engine and not external sequencer or wave editor for play and recording in some mixing or mastering situation
2 you can capture the real 32 bit integer engine anyway in live recording or mixin mastering session and apply dither to a better signal
3 there isn't stereo pairs but 8 mono track
you must use an external editor for get a stereo track

4 creamware could create a new device not necessatily free with
some cool feature like little editing, cut paste, insert silence,master meter peak rms ,insert fx etc
and sell it for
a good price depends to the features added
respect to the buggy Vdat

and you know isn't easy built this
device but i'm sure you will change idea about the subject if you can use it and or try it

Music Manic · Post by **Music Manic** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 7:00 pm

ps: for those who complain that it's ahhh so easy and CWA should do it for free:
sit down with your favourite compiler and write the stupid merger for the 2 panned channels...

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:34 pm

well, the technical part is rather easy, but the interface for choosing files, having preferred locations etc may be more demanding than one estimates at first glance.

in fact the sentence you quote was no irony

yet the 'exotic' (but in SFP preferred) 32bit integer format remains - and I seriously doubt that CWA has dithering algorithms (that comply with the systems quality demand) at hand.

so at least this external application is needed to make the 'hard left - hard right' panned equivalent of a stereo pair a master track.
And if I remember right such (specialized) software is anything but el cheapo, yet worth the expense (according to reviews) if one is after top results

for anything with less demand there is a ton of stuff.

Of course I'd appreciate a CWA editor as well, but there is a really BIG catch:
only 5% of the developement time (and effort) would be spent on audio quality items, where CWA has their focus.
95% would deal with GUI and OS stuff and I definetely wouldn't want to see wxWidgets once again.

you know I'm old-fashioned, that's why my gear (still) shows the graphic flaws, that 'modern' cards seem to compensate with pure power

CWA would have to 'off-shore' the developement, but even in India prices are rising - and for that limited functionality it would never pay off.
See recent price discussions - this is a professional audio platform regarding tech specs, but obviously not regarding it's (paying) customer base, except a few fools like you and me.

VDAT may be buggy in context with a hardware BRC (on which I cannot comment), but I'd rather assume it suffers from Windows file handling.
Admittedly the process of loading/unloading tapes (handling them securely) isn't very intuitive - and a great opportunity to mess things.

cheers, Tom

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:32 am

cannonball · Post by **cannonball** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 1:55 am

anyway seem creamware doesn't have the time to do it

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:02 am

Unfortunately It's highly unlikely to happen Cannonball & for that reason, there's no sense in us wasting our breath trying to persuade those who always know better & would argue with a fleck of paint on the wall in an empty room.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:05 am

Or, from another view: should they really devote their time to make a sequencer? Considering the amount and quality of current native sequencers, imagine what time they would have to invest to make something that's competitive. Especially knowing the possibilities of the interface that's being used by Scope - it's just not made for sequencers IMO. The amount of CW resources required would stop the development clock for years, in fields in which Scope really has no equal on the market: realtime synthesis and sound processing.

I would love to have a proper sequencer on Scope, but I'd hate to see them waste their time on it.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:19 am

We'd just like a cut down Stereo version of VDAT. Hell, I'll do the graphics for free if someone can make the device.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 2:24 am

I second at0m's emotion,
A simple 8 track MIDI/audio recorder which could dump down to VDAT for bouncing and re recordable overdubs. Then the simple 2 track 2 WAV. for sending off as demo or 2 use at a studio somewhere else in the world like the drummer Dave Weckyl does with his tracks 4 hire program.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Jun 12, 2006 3:34 am

some <a href=http://www.weiss.ch/p2d/p2d.html>quality stuff</a> for dithering
the site has some brochures and pdfs to download

cheers, tom

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 10:30 am

It's obviously not possible for normal SDK or DP users to make such a device or they most certainly would have, wouldn't they?

Why nowbody would build such a thing after all these years of Scope developement if it WAS possible, escapes me completely. That said however, the same could be said of the wonderfull semi-modular synths that John Bowen has starting making this year after 6-8 years working with Scope. How on earth did nobody think of it before..

So, maybe it's possible in theory with the basic SDK tools available to everyone & it's just that nobody has bothered or devoted themselves to the task.

sharc · Post by **sharc** » Fri Jul 14, 2006 2:06 pm

My guess would be that there isn't the possibility within the SDK to record audio, even samples. Otherwise we would have some sort of 3rd party alternative to the STS series by now, instead of just sample playback devices. I think any sort of audio recorder might be outwith the reach of (most of) the third party developers and would need to be developed by CW themselves. Oh well, it was a nice thought at least.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Jul 28, 2006 4:39 am

I own the VDAT but haven't used it. After reading some posts about it and the higher quality of audio recording over Cubase, I am going to try it, at least for mastering and SFP native sounds etc..

I agree about the STS, bad GUI! Unlike some people I think using the RAM can be an advantage. Less wear on the hard drives and more voices. As you know there is always a limit to the amount of hard drive tracks so being able to use more on top of those would be great. A news sampler that is special, not just another module would be fantastic and for once make it full screen. Break the rules.

If Creamware is to make a sequencer I agree it is a major ordeal but sequencers are not made overnight. They are built up little by little. They ought to start with a small sequencer and gradually improve it over the years. There is just not enough staff for any R&D other than the ASB series synthesizers and the radio software which I know nothing about.

I'm still the lone voice calling for Creamware to be sold to another company that will have the pockets for development and marketing. I fail to see how going nowhere benefits anyone.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Aug 01, 2006 4:28 pm

I second the motion. But only a company like Avid would be a good scenario 4 CW. Look what Tascam did to Gigastudio,..nothing really, except overbloat their app. with shit that doesn't work. They control the show. I watch as VSL now goes it's own way, along with Quantum Leap and many others. Finally Giga will be a VSTi. A little late I think, and if it is anything like GS3, they will lose my money. But Avid allows M Audio to act as a seperate entity. For instance my friends company has had offers from M Audio to acquire his business, and Monster Cable also. They still act like they are on their own playing field. Thats what I call financial help. You must turn a profit for them and yourself to get in that game. CW would sell so easy in the USA if it had a PR based marketing scheme. I just hope CW does well, and I will be buying an ASB just to make sure I did my part for the Black Forest Bunch.

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Janni · Post by **Janni** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 4:15 am

"Ja Ja heißt: leck mich am arsch!"

Cheers,
Jan

katano · Post by **katano** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 5:53 am

pffft

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:25 am

Dutch is a nicer sounding language to my ear, but then I have had about 6 Dutch girlfriends in my life, so maybe I'm biased.