luna ll power

AlessandroFP · Post by **AlessandroFP** » Sun Oct 15, 2006 3:39 pm

does it runs on a luna 2 card:

1-STM-2448
1-MasterVerb Pro
1-MasterChorus and some good dynamics and eqs

how much dsp it takes?

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:38 am

The STM2448 has good eqs & dynamics built in so lets leave them out of the equation for a moment.

I'll try to answer your question assuming that you actually need the amount of channels an STM2448 mixer provides. (up to 24 stereo channels = 48 channels)

So,
_take a 3 dsp Luna board...
_load your required I/O modules (midi, audio & asio I/Os)
_load an STM2448 mixer (default preset)
_load a MasterVerb Pro in Mix insert 4
_load a Master Chorus in Mix insert 3

...All ok so far & running on the Luna!!!

_Now start connecting 24 inputs to say 12 stereo channels on the mixer & YOU WILL run out of dsp power before you've finished making those connections!!!!!

...So, to answer your question, NO!!!

That said, there are smaller mixers than the STM2448 & the individual channel strips are nice too.

Also, with a Luna board you can just not use a mixer in Scope at all & simply route all of your inputs directly to asio destination modules & mix in a native app like Cubase, Sonar, Ab Live or whatever you like !! So, not the end of the world for the ownwer of just a 3 dsp Luna card.

arela · Post by **arela** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 3:22 am

shrooms:

Also, with a Luna board you can just not use a mixer in Scope at all & simply route all of your inputs directly to asio destination modules & mix in a native app like Cubase, Sonar, Ab Live or whatever you like !! So, not the end of the world for the ownwer of just a 3 dsp Luna card.

I used the STM 1632 with effects and was pleased with it for years on my Luna.
MasterVerbPro is demanding on your dsp's, but there is always a way around this problems.
eg using 2 projects, one for mixing + some effects and one for other effects/mastering.

katano · Post by **katano** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 5:34 am

i also started with a luna II a few years ago. but after 2 weeks, i decided to upgrade with a pulsar II

then i exchanged the luna with a powerpulsar II and now i'm running two powerpulsar II's...

i'd like to have three 15dsp boards, but unfortunately i only have 2 pci slots

greez
roman

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AlessandroFP · Post by **AlessandroFP** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:07 pm

Ops, it looks like i have to buy a pulsar 2

Thank you guys!!!

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 1:26 pm

Indeed, if recommending a starting point for any potential Scope user, I'd say buy a project card (6dsp) minimum!! (sorry CW you did get that one wrong imo)

That said, the Luna is usable for sure, just not comfortable (it's better as a 3dsp booster).

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arela · Post by **arela** » Mon Oct 16, 2006 11:21 pm

Absolutely right Shroomz, with dsp's the rule "less is more" does not count

binez0r · Post by **binez0r** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:11 am

hence my point, scope should get some new cards.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 12:56 am

bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 2:10 am

for those who really know how to use a creamware soundcard

, a luna is a great tool at a cheap price as you can get excellent converters (uad does not give ou this...)and a host of tools that would cost you a lot. considering the price gap, if you can go for a scope project (6 dsp, scope 4.5), go !!! That's far better as you will also get synth like B2003 or Pro12 which are excellent... What would you pay for good Virtual instruments (vsti)? For sure, 300 to 500€... For 500/600 euros you can get a lattest generation scope project with xlr symetric cables, aes-ebu pro digital connections, many synths and effects included and very good converters... Once you have 1 recent card (go for second generation ones for optimized pci bandwidth and latency) with great plugs, you will be abble (later) to get a second hand card with no plugs inside (hence cheap!)if you need more power.

And yes, buying a creamware soundcard remains an excellent investment !!!! Why? Because there are no other alternatives in the market, offering a comprehensive package of excellent plugins from synth (b2003 is the best emulation of B3 Hammond in 2006 !) to effects (optimaster, Vinco, etc...). For sure, except if you have a lot of money to buy big hardware effects, mixers, synths, i would buy a 6 dsp board to get analogic sound, high end studio tools in one single digital workstation !

Jonathan

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:46 am

to be precise, the Luna cards were introduced as a budget solution with reduced software sets - according to market demands back then.

Some (with totally outboard) procesing might be happy and never need to change that setup.

Those not entirely sure about the 'Scope way of doing things' had a low entry and were able to extend their investment (without loss!) once they found out it applied to them.

but (as usual on the sales front) people forgot (or refused to think) about it and demanded the full package for the 'entry fee'...

cheers, Tom

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Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 4:56 am

One of the interesting aspects of the Luna is the potential I/O count. With 3 of them in a box you've got the highest possible I/O count on the Scope platform!! Ok, you need 3 adat expansion cards in there with them to take advantage of that (which takes up a lot of slottage) but still, it's an interesting option for anyone needing gazillions of I/Os!!

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bill3107 · Post by **bill3107** » Tue Oct 17, 2006 11:30 pm

i would add that a luna can be linked (zlink / firewire technology) to a very cheap creamware i/o box offering 8 in and outs. So, as mentionned above, you can start with a good solution offering many i/outs, dsp power, good converters, a range of effects and synth( a 4.5 scope home would afford you effetcs but also some good synth i think, have a look at creamware website). Hence, you can START to build your home studio... you will just have to add more power later if you need so. Like Pro tools, but cheaper and with more tools, effects included and ... synth !!!!