edited ... and moved !

[dawman]

I'm just glad you guys are creating great stuff. Hope hostilities subside, as I grow weary of them.

Now that Eric has given eveyone a thrashing, let us proceed w/ feedback on your sucsess story. I 4 one would like to hear the great things you do.

You and Eric's posts I always enjoy, even when he attacks.

[johnbowen]

I think (from what I recall) Fairlight stuff uses AD chips and is compatible on some level with Scope hardware. One would assume so at least since there were pictures of fairlight consoles running Creamware devices in the past.

Yes, this was one of the private deals made many years ago, apparently. From what I understand, Fairlight bought boards from CW to use the Scope system within their product. (Also Wersi.)

john b.

[hubird]

(referring to the last page)

Hey Eric, also here?
There was a little conversation going on between your partner and me.
The question remarks in his post definitely allowed me to answer here.

Also just have to remember you, this is an internet forum, you can't claim a thread or so.
Sorry, that's how it works...
It's even the fun part of it

[spacef]

this hacking blurb is complete bullsh*t - there is no hacking involved at all, not even an SDK.
in SFP(!) just go to the file menu (as if you wanted to load a project), but choose a device instead... it will open with a graphic representation of the devices internals on a certain level (there may be more... in SDk...)

ah yes, very funny trick (should be in "tips & tricks" section). it happens on "open" devices, but blank screen on protected devices...

hey, what's that about the French in your post !! ??!! ppl from there provide(d) a good part of the devices for SFP since the begining...

[hubird]

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[astroman]

...hey, what's that about the French in your post !! ??!! ppl from there provide(d) a good part of the devices for SFP since the begining...

I'm sorry Mehdi if there was the impression I referred to your country - I thought it was clear that it was about just 2 specific people.

...to be honest (imho) you both are a shame for your country - regarding the usual french pride about their nation...
you have no style, no manners, no competence - as it was mentioned by another member 'study the DAS threads and you know how to NOT run a business'
your attitude is 180 degrees from what's expected from a(ny) developer - you even lack the most basic skills...

I stand by that statement any time - someone with an attitude like Eric and Olive can never qualify as a developer. He lacks the open mind, endurance, patience and control of the situation that's required to do the job, in other words 'the most basic skills'.

I really wouldn't have posted the 'trick' (as it doesn't belong into public imho) if Eric hadn't adressed some users of the free SDK directly 'hacking' and stealing.
The true reason for (just another) strom-in-a-teacup should be fairly obvious

I'm sorry to answer you in such a negative context, as I do appreciate your devices and Celmo's very, very much.

à bientôt, Tom

[hubird]

I'm sorry Mehdi if there was the impression I referred to your country - I thought it was clear that it was about just 2 specific people. à bientôt, Tom

it was clear, at least to me, and the smilie in spacef's post says the same I guess

[spacef]

of course astro, i did post humoristically
I wasn't offended nor took it seriously (eventhough, it was a way to remind that there is not only das in fr, and you can't generalize )
There were others than me or celmo (huicholity if i remember well and maybe some others less known nowadays).

Anyway, have a great week end all of you
regards

Mehdi

[sonolive]

hey guys,
this becomes more and more strange and a bit border line ...

First , france and french (not all for sure ...) are idiot and you permit yourself to insult easyly and now i read some very strange posts about a french TV ... accusations and words that make me feel sick !!!

i am not patriot at all !!! and peharps one of the less ... but all this becomes "scabreux" (sorry, don't know how to translate ) i mean it's sad to read these kind of words on this forums (that you all seem to love so much ...)

TF1 is one of our customers, that's all , and i am very surprised that people so intelligent and full of good sense as you, write that !

hubird claims that "internet forums are like that" ... i am a bit disapointed !

hope some here will react also ...

cheers
olive

[next to nothing]

ive stopped reacting to these discussion loooooong time ago because theres nothing good coming out of them anyway.

BUT i want to congratulate you on your buissniss, hope it goes well.

[moxi]

this becomes more and more strange and a bit border line ...

nothing so much strange (even if that's right , i'm a bit "border line" )

I've choose to reply in a stupid way to stupid comment...and this stupid reply come from a stupid french

but when a guy use a fact he is proud of to try to humiliate others, he really must be sure that his behaviour is un-critisizable...

and i am very surprised that people so intelligent and full of good sense as you, write that !

hopefully (or not?), I'm not in this category of person

accusations and words that make me feel sick

...not sure that's why you're sick, maybe you spend too much time watching TF1...

no, that's just a (stupid) joke ...

go on creating plugin...but maybe get another person to assume your communication....

[Bifop]

hope some here will react also ...

olive

But what to say ? I'm speechless. But not because of what's been said about french or TF1 (I couldn't care less) but because you guys of DAS did manage once again to step into a pile of sh*t.
I don't even want to know who started it first. It stinks.
At some point I even wrote you an email of support/advices but it seems you do everything but what good sense would require in such situation. (and you did not even dare to answer...).
Happy fight to all of you.

[astroman]

well, here's the post that started it all
sorry that it's a long quote, you can skip right to the bold lines (marked by me) and the end
btw it also contains false statements about 'removing copy protection'

there is no such thing as a removal of a true copy protection
all you could do is remove some demo nags
that is a fine, but significant difference - particularly regarding the 'image' supposed to be created about some forum members

Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 4:54 pm Post subject:

Kylie, the issue was the fact that a certain packing procedure is required to make your sdk devices more secure. Salvatore & some other sdk devs hadn't been using the correct procedure & so did not have completely secure devices. I think from what he said previously, that Sal reckons that several devs must have known about this for quite some time, although nobody had informed him of the issue. The so called 'trick' or 'bug' as it has been reffered to is actually neither of those. It's a feature in the software which I can't talk about in more detail here.

What I can & will say is that I doubt very very much that anyone who knew about this issue before Sal would have ripped off his or someone elses circuit & put a new gui on, as that's not even a remotely desireable thing to do. I think it's an insult to the integrity of some of the devs here to suggest that they would be interested in stealing someone elses work.

I heard off list that complaints were made to creamware by certain Scope devs here & that threats of legal action were also made to certain people. None of that has come to anything nor should it, as from what I know there is no proof anywhere of any foul play.

To make his devices 'safe' in the sense being discussed & re-upload them, would have taken Salvatore 1 maybe 2 hours at the most, from when he was informed about the security issue in his work.

Like I said, this has been blown way out of proportion & I'll repeat that it's insulting to some people here that accusations of possible circuit theft are even brought into public conversation here.

Sorry for talking about this here on your device thread Salvatore, but I feel that it needs clearing up & put into some sort of sensible context if that's at all possible.

best regards
Shroomz

Salvatore has informed some devellopers that their devices could be opened and copied ...and they are copied...maybe that's the reason of lots of beta bugged version...
this way to open protected devices was known by some of good devellopers,but the conspiracy of silence has made them very discret about what i call "sdk bug".numbers of good and nice dev were exposed to this bug...even official dev...

Salvatore is one of the nice members who has decided to talk about this bug.you are a great man you are not like the member who have informed only you...
those members are very happy and so proud to see that this kind of bug could be good for their own bizness or free bizness...

we knows that a list of complaint has been made and we hope that those members here will be on justice.their true names and their planetz pseudo,are well known by creamware stuff.

for all new or pseudo cw dev here and all over the world,the procedure to protect your devices well,is that YOU HAVE TO DELETE ALL GRAPHICS OBJECT BEFORE PROTECTING THE DEVICE.when you only protect the device,it can be open,you see all the algo but not all parameters...but ,you can remove a copy protection for example !

when you use hacked software or hacked devices,the result is the death of devellopement and the death of a great compagny...

i want to thanks astroman to have deleted all those hacked devices ...maybe he is alone...
for the others,i hope you will be taken out of this nice creamware community as soon as possible.

eric

ps : like scope4live say : "When One Door Closes, Another One Opens" ...thanks to emt...
thanks Salvatore to have informed this nice dev community soiled by 3 dishonest persons.

[Flyerfred]

I don't know what's happening here, but I don't really like what some people say about French people in general. To make "humor" with this kind of silly jokes can be the start of bad... developments I would say

Moreover, TF1 TV belongs to Bouygues group (building company), don't swap with Dassault group, which is the owner of several newspapers, but no TV so far.

A bon entendeur, salut.

F.

[valis]

There are likely to be some interesting developments around the time of Messe, if you have kept up & listened to other threads where this mudslinging thankfully hasn't spilled over. So one might wonder what that's all about...

Also, please don't forget that you can step away from the monitor and experience something a bit more relevant to your personal happiness.

[moxi]

Moreover, TF1 TV belongs to Bouygues group (building company), don't swap with Dassault group, which is the owner of several newspapers, but no TV so far.

you're right, apologies...

Bouygues finally didn't enter in the capital of Dassault :

...nous avons conclus, au vu des contraintes juridiques, à orienter notre politique vers des collaborations "de fait", ceci afin de laisser aux deux groupes le temps de trouver les modalités d'un accord final...
Bouygues representatives (about the Dassault-socapress/Bouygues-TF1 capital fusion in 2005)

...sorry, economic words are too borring to translate....

[dawman]

Well I don't enjoy seeing Ollie have to dance around for everyone, his talents are better suited as a developer instead or PR work.

Just so you guys can hear something positive on this company and their talented staff, I decided to share my experience w/ them in respect to their devices, and the customer support that is very Bowen-esque ( Sorry about the analogy JB ).

As some of you know I had a custom mixer made by DAS to be used w/ 6 x Ultimate Ears Pro 10's, and 5 x Sennheiser 152G2's. The GUI and features are flawless. But I found the need to add a talkback feature to help mute the mains, and communicate w/ the girls w/o the chit-chat being heard. I also had a little trouble w/ the non-flourescent parts of the GUI being hard to read under 1000 watt PAR lamps, and Trooper spots. I PM'd Ollie about this, and had the extra features I asked for updated and ready for testing.

So I shall keep my comments that concern these guys on a positive tone. This is what I'm concerned about. I see sparks flying around again, and it makes want to post something more upbeat.


So There's Your Daily Bread,

[next to nothing]

yup, ppl still buy joemeek compressors even tho he killed a dude.

[sonolive]

hy,
kool jimmy, very glad to read this post, but what to say, as YOU know, our only aim is to build good devices ... and at the contrary as few people on this forums think, it's not a money affair ... we are pro sound engineers (like many others, fore sure ...) and whem we begin a device, we, eric and i, try to put in it all our (small but effective) experience with one and only one aim ... doing the best !!!

fortunately, it works ... more than 120 custommers for public devices ... some (very very ... ) VIP custommers , even in LV ... and some other also very top of the top prestigious ones ... let call them major or even "administrative" ...

btw, and after this mastubation thoughs we are still, again and again, working on new concepts and algos ... trying to give the best of our knowledge on these future devices . that's our way of life ! exactly as your's is practissing more and more and givving us so much tips and tricks and so much experiences ...

regards and respects ...
cheers
olive

[Liquid Len]

And don't even mention Phil Spector!