Scope with Pro-Tools M-Powered

organix · Post by **organix** » Wed May 02, 2007 5:14 am

Hello,

on my mobile computer I have an M-Audio USB audio device with M-Powered Pro-Tools sequencersoftware, which I really like.
I can connect this usb audio device also to my desktop computer which have scope in it.
But, with the M-Powererd Pro-Tools Software I can't take use scope, this seems be limited to the M-Audio audio device only.

Anyone knows a trick to use the Asio devices of scope in Pro-Tools?

thanks
Markus

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Wed May 02, 2007 9:37 am

Well, it's funny you should mention that, because ironically enough, even though digidesign is in fact the arch enemy of the Creamware scope platform, if you take any Creamware Device,i.e, the brilliant minimax perfect minimoog emulation,or perhaps the amazing pro 12 prophet plugin for scope,and then put it into the vst plugins folder in protools,you may notice that the Creamware device may most likely Crash your System.So basically the answer is .....No.

firubbi · Post by **firubbi** » Thu May 03, 2007 11:31 pm

interesting....

organix · Post by **organix** » Fri May 04, 2007 1:04 pm

even though digidesign is in fact the arch enemy of the Creamware scope platform

enemies? hm, i think not. Both are competitors in the world of dsp driven platforms. And btw, Creamware is not really comparable to Digidesign.
Maybe their products, ProTools-HD and Scope can be comparedt a little bit.

I don't think that creamware scope is the problem, because ProTools-LE/M-Powered also can't use any other audio device from other manufacturers.

ProTools-LE only work with selected Digidesign Hardware and Protools M-Powered only with selected M-Audio hardware.

A bit stupid, because the protools sequencer could be an alternative to cubase, sonar etc.

and then put it into the vst plugins folder in protools

Oh nice. Could you please tell me more about the "vst plugins folder in protools"?
Maybe I'm wrong, but as I know, ProTools can't load vst plugins without any special wrapper software.

Because I had some other problems with the m-audio usb device, I brought it back to my dealer. The funny part on this was, I left the store with a digidesign m-box2 usb device and protools-le.

My problem is, that on my mobile computer I need an usb audio device and for easier project work with other musicians and producers, ProTools software make some things easier. So I decided to use protools.
My pc audio workstation have 2 scope project cards and a 2496 box for connecting some of my gears, mics etc.
Ok, I further could use cakewalk sonar on this pc but then I have always trouble to move my projects from the audio-pc to the mobile computer and back.

So, my plan is to use protools on my audio-pc and this brings me back to the problem that protools isn't able to use any other asio devices.

I have to find a way to work with the two enemies together.

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Fri May 04, 2007 2:09 pm

Does your M-Audio devive have ADAT I/O? If it does, you can connect your Scope ADAT I/O & MIDI to it. Then use your laptop for sequncing & recording. It sounds like a hassle but it would work well. I run my Windows machine as a quasi gear rack via ADAT into my tascam firewire interface to my Mac. Basically what I'm getting at is the only way to use PT with Scope is by using it as external gear in another CPU.

H-Rave · Post by **H-Rave** » Sun May 06, 2007 12:48 am

No,but seriously
1.if protools (even m-powered ) could run asio devices, which honestly I don't think it does,i suppose you could run scope in Xtc mode, the arch enemy part was, of course a joke,as was the vst plugins folder jibe.
There is of course a vst plugins wrapper for protools(Rtas FXpansion),would this work for an xtc plugin, I don't know.you'd have a latency problem I suppose.has anyone tried this ?

valis · Post by **valis** » Sun May 06, 2007 2:02 am

Pro Tools M-Powered is locked to M-audio brand cards and will never 'see' the Scope ASIO drivers afaik.

Pro Tools LE only 'sees' Digidesign audio cards (DIgi01, DIgi02 etc) and so the same situation exists.

If you *Must* use Pro tools and creamware together (and not pro tools just to convert to another format) then your best bet is indeed using ADAT to connect the Digidesign or M-audio card to the Scope card, or spdif if that's all that is available (2 channels will be quite limited). In this respect it will function just like any other studio gear connected to midi & audio i/o.