Tools of your trade

Post by **hubird** » Fri May 11, 2007 8:15 pm

of course they will...why not?

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Fri May 11, 2007 10:05 pm

well the couple times i tried to get this to work with a similiar controller i had little sucess. I get one fader to respond to one channel but going to setup the next channel seems to replace the settings of the first. i know this is a newb issue so bear with me

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat May 12, 2007 1:28 am

Conqueror's Reign wrote:well the couple times i tried to get this to work with a similiar controller i had little sucess. I get one fader to respond to one channel but going to setup the next channel seems to replace the settings of the first. i know this is a newb issue so bear with me

I think I read somewhere that this was / is a SFP problem.

?

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat May 12, 2007 3:03 am

stardust, so you say this box will work to control 8 different mixer channels? (maybe even more if there are switch knobs)

http://www.musikland-online.de/onlinesh ... Fader.html

and when I connect the midi out, the faders will laso motorfade into the position of the loaded project. would be worth investing...

hifiboom · Post by **hifiboom** » Sat May 12, 2007 3:37 am

Stardust, thats really something I want!

Ì`m still not sure what to take....

the CME midikeyboard

they are said to have a very good building quality and are extremly cheap... Used on ebay mostly go for ~100 bucks, new with waranty for 190 bucks.

I think thats a good deal. And it also has 8 faders...

what I really like too is this minisynthesizer:
http://www.korg.de/microkorg-produktinfo.html
more a quick access for the left hand, while you have the mouse on the right one...
+it seems to be a great synth with 4 voices

of course this is no full-featured keyboard but most of the time I hang around infront of the monitor, so I think a small keyboard will be superior in most situations....

Best would be to get both....
So many nice tools, so few money.......

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Sat May 12, 2007 3:25 pm

stardust is that done inside sfp or is it a special feature of the novation?
Is there a univeral way to do this with other controllers?

Post by **hubird** » Sat May 12, 2007 4:30 pm

It's Midi, it's a protocol, it's independent from manufactorers.
Maybe I miss your point, I'm not sure if you're reasonably confident with Midi, but i'm sure todays regular Midi keyboards all support the complete Midi protocol, without any exception.
If faders of the SFP mixers don't react as supposed (every channel responding to it's own controller), it must be a number one bug...of SFP.
I'm gonne try it tonight, as I only controlled synth parameters in the past (I do dynamics in the sequencer).

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Sun May 13, 2007 11:47 am

Thanks stardust this is what i was trying to get to. When using the midi learn function within scope volume is cc7, check. Software fader now follows hardware fader. OK now this is where my problem starts when doing the same steps to assign the other faders with midi learn they do not work i can get only 1 fader to work. Whatever fader i use, the midi learn that channel only works and any previous assigned fader doesnt hold it's setting. I asked the last question to try and determine if it could be something up with my controller or like hubrid said a bug in sfp. If the novation could automap it and it worked correctly then my controller should be able to do the same. That would narrow it down to sfp. Should have been clearer hubrid

I have the cme controller that i am trying to do this with and yes its a good controller only bug is the transport doesnt work correctly with all sequencers, the only template it comes with is for cubase. Templates for more software will be available says cme but you will have to check the forums to see. The faders work like they should on the sequencer mixer just not scopes.

Post by **hubird** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:47 pm

Well, it works here as expected, I tried it on the Dynamic mixer.
Every channel (fader) it's own controller number, corresponding with the number of my external midi controller.
Independent fader controll

SFP's is it's own platform, independently' from the computer platform (mac here, with Cubase as sequencer), so it should work on pc as well

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Sun May 13, 2007 9:05 pm

Thanks hubrid im going to try it with the dynamic mixer and let you know how it turns out.

Post by **hubird** » Mon May 14, 2007 6:14 am

yes, do that, I'm convinced it'll work

Badger · Post by **Badger** » Mon May 14, 2007 1:59 pm

Conqueror's Reign wrote:When using the midi learn function within scope volume is cc7, check.

Not necessarily. It sounds as though you're trying to allocate cc7 to all faders on the same MIDI channel. That won't work (and would result in the symptoms you describe).

If you use only cc7 for volume faders then you need to assign each fader to cc7 on a DIFFERENT MIDI channel. The downside with this method, though, is that you only get 16 independently controllable faders per MIDI port (one per MIDI channel) since there are 16 channels available per MIDI port.

An alternative (and more flexible) way of setting up would be to assign consecutive cc numbers to consecutive faders in scope (starting with, say cc33, then cc34 etc.) on the SAME MIDI channel. You would, of course, need to make sure that none of these cc numbers conflicts with any other controls you may have set up that use the same MIDI port.

I hope this helps.

Post by **hubird** » Mon May 14, 2007 3:06 pm

The same thought I had, speaking on the use of controller #7.
I just was expecting CRein coming with that discovery by him self

all information was in my post, only the conclusion had to be drawn

Let's see if he yet has a bug or it was him.

CRein, you better don't use controller #7 for specific destinations.
It's good use to reserve it for master volume controls, specificly of instruments.
It's a master volume controll for the current Midi channel.
You wouldn't like to have to have the Pan controller (#10) for that, isn't it?
It is possible tho

The controller's naming is for convenience and compatibility between project files in general (between studios f.e.).
It also helps you to keep uniform settings in your different projects, you can make templates where possible

Like Badger says, use controllers up in the rank to serve different faders.
look at the list on the left on this page:
http://www.borg.com/~jglatt/tech/midispec.htm
It declares a lot on it's own

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Tue May 15, 2007 9:56 pm

Thanks guys for your help i will let you know how it goes when i get scope back up. I went thru a computer crash and when i reopened scope after trying to select a project all of the presets were bright blue

. I could still select them and they would open but something must have gotten screwed up bigtime.

Post by **hubird** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:34 pm

sorry to hear that

did you save your preset file (in the right preset window) to your song folder?
When you then safe the project, SFP asks you to confirm if the change in the right preset list should be saved...to be in the project itself that is

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Tue May 15, 2007 10:46 pm

thanks for the tip hubrid, but it just wasnt the the presets it was other stuff too. When i went to the scope folder there were many things that were now bright blue, i think its when the file is supposedly missing when its blue like that but everything seems to work when selected, i just dont understand why the color change, its strange.

Post by **hubird** » Wed May 16, 2007 7:30 am

STM 24/48 also works fine with controllers.
After rebooting/restart SFp everything is still there

Only strange thing is, the mixer does only react to Midi channel one, or at least my PC1600 spits all data out on channel one, even when faders are programmed for another channel.
Hm, strange problem that I didn't see before.

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Wed May 16, 2007 9:54 am

the folder i should have said was the examples folder that were all in blue letters the ones creamware already made but there were some that didnt change and looked normal, black lettering. I reinstalled scope and everything looks normal now.

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Thu May 17, 2007 2:27 am

Since we are talking so much on mixers has anyone felt a mixer was what made their setup more productive?

Conqueror's Reign · Post by **Conqueror's Reign** » Thu May 24, 2007 8:14 pm

Anyone else like to add anything that made SFP a better experience in their music?