Final Liza 1.0

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Sat Jan 12, 2002 4:50 pm

<a name="planetz-file"></a><a href="http://www.d-media.dk/index.htm"><img src="/forums/images/file_icon.gif" border="0" alt=" File"> File</a> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Price ($USD): 30 <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Type: Effect _____________________________________ 3-band compressor/limiter with solo, metering & gain on individual bands.

Price: $30 / 35 euro

Goto http://www.d-media.dk 4 more info & demo download.

Kim.

[ This Message was edited by: kimgr on 2002-02-27 21:54 ]

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 3:48 pm

Yep, tried the device.. I'm going to be a bit tough on the review cuz I think we can all use a good multicomp that's easy on the DSP, and this one could be heading there.

The solo function should be cumulative... or more like a on/off for each channel, cuz I'd want to do combinations, like bass and high, mid and high, etc. And a bypass for each of the channels would be nice.

Next, this is somewhat basic... different look ahead for each channel? I didn't think this was too realistic. It's just going to bring in phase cancellation problems. Better unify this number for all 3 channels.

An output level vu for each channel, and one for total out would be nice. Atleast one for total out.

And of course, a limiter or some sort of saturator would be nice. Or a 4 band pre eq perhaps?

Also, the n ratio is letting some raw signal come through, and isn't pressing down on the sound enough. Just like the Pulsar comp.

And if you could put in insert slots just before the signal hits the comp, I'd put in overdrives to make me an ultimate drum dirtifier.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Jan 29, 2002 4:02 pm

Phew, who dares to add to that? Now the the lightweight stuff: just wanted to say congrats to whoever's doing the UI graphics and layout - looks good!

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Sun Feb 03, 2002 4:10 am

The solo function should be cumulative... or more like a on/off for each channel, cuz I'd want to do combinations, like bass and high, mid and high, etc. And a bypass for each of the channels would be nice.

You're right about the solo function, but the bypass on individual bands is impossible to do without using additional DSP resources: When you bypass one compressor, it no longer generates the processing delay that the other bands do = phase errors.

Next, this is somewhat basic... different look ahead for each channel? I didn't think this was too realistic. It's just going to bring in phase cancellation problems. Better unify this number for all 3 channels.

That's actually a "feature": By tweaking the phase relationship between the bands, you can get a "BBE SonicMaximizer-like" effect.

An output level vu for each channel, and one for total out would be nice. Atleast one for total out.

Agreed.

And of course, a limiter or some sort of saturator would be nice. Or a 4 band pre eq perhaps?

The limiter is coming. As for the rest:
Now you almost have a Creamware Optimaster. Would you be prepared to pay the price in DSP and cost ?

Also, the n ratio is letting some raw signal come through, and isn't pressing down on the sound enough. Just like the Pulsar comp.

That's because it's build with the standard Scope compressor, same as the Pulsar one

A version with custom comressor algorithms is in the planning stage, but again, it's gonna cost more in both DSP and currency...
The idea with the Final Liza was to make a low-cost alternative.

And if you could put in insert slots just before the signal hits the comp, I'd put in overdrives to make me an ultimate drum dirtifier.

That's a great idea, I'll look into that one.

Thank you very much for your comments.

Kim.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Mon Feb 04, 2002 2:56 am

Thanx Kim, for your attention.

You're very right about the DSP cost situation.. seems most multicomps are DSP hogs, and now I understand why.

The bypass phase problem seems logical. And if that costs too much DSP, then I guess we'll have to live with it. I'd still rather have a cheap DSP device.

And the look-ahead feature, seems cool. There should be ways to creatively use it. Plus, all I have to do is sync the look ahead manually and it'll work as normal.

I'm excited to hear your custom limiter! Maybe, to cut down on costs for the multicomp itself, you can make the limiter an optional device?

Anyway, looking forward to your new version. And I'm very curious about the price too.

But a "snap it right into your current project" type of multicomp would be worth the wait. Good luck!

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Tue Feb 26, 2002 10:46 am

Now available...
Although I have no onlineshop yet, you can now buy it... See http://www.d-media.dk for details.

Kim.