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what scope 5.0 needs? poll
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the19thbear
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what scope 5.0 needs? poll
here is the poll.... we can email it to soniccore when we are done
feel free to let me know if there is something missing
feel free to let me know if there is something missing
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Mr Arkadin
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the real breakthru IMHO are new and more powerful device in order to be able to load more device and stuff inside SFP at an affordable price.
i don't think the SFP interface and concept should be changed. i cannot think any major improvement to our routing window. maybe just more "User friendly toys", like the possibilty to rename all modules in the window, to switch mixer channels and effects and so on... but no major change should be made.
but, in order to stand against more and more powerful PC, you have to keep the best possible sound quality (which we already have) and let to use a LOT of different stuff. i imagine a "super scope board" in which you can load synth with high polyphony, a lot of FX and large mixer, several dynatube, optimaster, psyq, etc...
the "entry level" board (200-300€ ?) should have the equivalent power of today 14DSP board... and the most professional one (1000€ ?) should be compared to the 3x14DSP system nowadays available!
then, an interesting device could be some wavetable based synth similar to yamaha motif or korg triton (for example). not just an analog one-voice emulation with the "standard" VCO and VCA, but a device with which you can play pads, sampled brass, strings...
i don't think it will be useful to spend time on a new STS-series sample, because i don't know if you can't beat for example kontakt and its huge and great third party libraries. the AKAI-disk era is almost finished, according to me...
just my 2c
i don't think the SFP interface and concept should be changed. i cannot think any major improvement to our routing window. maybe just more "User friendly toys", like the possibilty to rename all modules in the window, to switch mixer channels and effects and so on... but no major change should be made.
but, in order to stand against more and more powerful PC, you have to keep the best possible sound quality (which we already have) and let to use a LOT of different stuff. i imagine a "super scope board" in which you can load synth with high polyphony, a lot of FX and large mixer, several dynatube, optimaster, psyq, etc...
the "entry level" board (200-300€ ?) should have the equivalent power of today 14DSP board... and the most professional one (1000€ ?) should be compared to the 3x14DSP system nowadays available!
then, an interesting device could be some wavetable based synth similar to yamaha motif or korg triton (for example). not just an analog one-voice emulation with the "standard" VCO and VCA, but a device with which you can play pads, sampled brass, strings...
i don't think it will be useful to spend time on a new STS-series sample, because i don't know if you can't beat for example kontakt and its huge and great third party libraries. the AKAI-disk era is almost finished, according to me...
just my 2c
Why Can't I Vote 50 times in the poll above to get my point across?
I wouldn't change a thing, but enhance an already incredible package. That would be a virtual manufacturing achievement. No manufacturing costs, just drivers and fixes. 3rd party guys got their back w/ new devices.
However a native sequencer, bugs in the STS, VDAT, and Modular, and Triple DAT upgrade would cost little interms of manufacturing, and surely they could do this in time.
Survivability is the game, while showing profit.
I will buy and support them in whatever endeavor they choose.
I am sure they realise the hardware they made is very re-sellable second hand, so why compete w/ that? Just re-do and upgrade the product, and CHARGE some money to keep in business.
I would pay a handsome fee to do that, then in the future return to manufacturing.
I am sure my input here is a sound approach for a re-emerging company. With the original programmers back again, this would help generate hard currency for newer developments. They seem to have a way to survive w/o the risky prices of advertising, and manufacturing.
Good Luck Guys, I Have All The Faith In Soniccore.
I wouldn't change a thing, but enhance an already incredible package. That would be a virtual manufacturing achievement. No manufacturing costs, just drivers and fixes. 3rd party guys got their back w/ new devices.
However a native sequencer, bugs in the STS, VDAT, and Modular, and Triple DAT upgrade would cost little interms of manufacturing, and surely they could do this in time.
Survivability is the game, while showing profit.
I will buy and support them in whatever endeavor they choose.
I am sure they realise the hardware they made is very re-sellable second hand, so why compete w/ that? Just re-do and upgrade the product, and CHARGE some money to keep in business.
I would pay a handsome fee to do that, then in the future return to manufacturing.
I am sure my input here is a sound approach for a re-emerging company. With the original programmers back again, this would help generate hard currency for newer developments. They seem to have a way to survive w/o the risky prices of advertising, and manufacturing.
Good Luck Guys, I Have All The Faith In Soniccore.
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The only thing that I would change about SFP would be the ability to put ASIO effects (VST effects) into the mixer slots, seamlessly. But I doubt this is architecturally possible.
Sonic Timeworks makes awesome reverbs and compressors, so things are covered there, from what I can see.
So I would ask for what IS possible - a DECENT fender rhodes emulation.
Sonic Timeworks makes awesome reverbs and compressors, so things are covered there, from what I can see.
So I would ask for what IS possible - a DECENT fender rhodes emulation.
why not polling about new features to be integrated into windows, mac osx, et al..?
imho as useful as this poll. we all know what we desire, but there are too much wishes for that small team to fulfill. and I doubt that they were waiting until now, not sure what to do with the scope platform at all, waiting for the forum to contribute. if our contribution was really a decisive factor, they would surely have asked us already.
as someone said... the soup is most probably cooked (well, that's what I believe, too).
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imho as useful as this poll. we all know what we desire, but there are too much wishes for that small team to fulfill. and I doubt that they were waiting until now, not sure what to do with the scope platform at all, waiting for the forum to contribute. if our contribution was really a decisive factor, they would surely have asked us already.
as someone said... the soup is most probably cooked (well, that's what I believe, too).
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Mr Arkadin
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Herein lies the main point i think. As much as i dislike Vista, and i'm not even as keen on OSX as i was OS9 - as new machines only come with these options and PCI-e slots then SonicCore really need to address this. Not for use hardcore users who will build XP PCI machines but for new customers. New customers generate new cash. Most people will not (rightly or wrongly) see beyond the fact that this audio card of ours won't fit in their machines and even if it did that there is no software for their OS.Liquid Len wrote:You're right Jimmy, things are fantastic AS IT IS - I'm less worried about a Scope 5.0 than finding a way to preserve the host computer OS (win2k & xp).
A couple of things that have been on my wish list for a while now...
1. Rewire support. Not sure if that would require expensive licensing of the technology from Yamaberg, but it would be cool.
2. Direct access to installed audio & midi devices. For example, plug in a usb midi device and access it straight from SFP without the need for 3rd party software or access wave i/o's from other installed audio hardware to avoid wasting adat connections. I'm not saying it would be easy to implement, but if every standalone piece of audio software can do it....
1. Rewire support. Not sure if that would require expensive licensing of the technology from Yamaberg, but it would be cool.
2. Direct access to installed audio & midi devices. For example, plug in a usb midi device and access it straight from SFP without the need for 3rd party software or access wave i/o's from other installed audio hardware to avoid wasting adat connections. I'm not saying it would be easy to implement, but if every standalone piece of audio software can do it....
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Mr Arkadin
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Yesit's a bit confusing. i think we need two polls - what Scope 5.0 needs and what we would like in Scope 5.0.
The way i see it to survive Scope 5.0 needs is to be PCI-e, use TigerSharcs and be Vista and OSX compliant. That's it.
What we would like in Scope 5.0 however is a completely different matter, and this is where the voting would make more sense.
For instance those that like XTC will naturally vote for XTC giving a disproportionate view of how many actually want XTC, because the non-XTCers will vote for the other options. That was a bit wordy but i hope it made sense.
The way i see it to survive Scope 5.0 needs is to be PCI-e, use TigerSharcs and be Vista and OSX compliant. That's it.
What we would like in Scope 5.0 however is a completely different matter, and this is where the voting would make more sense.
For instance those that like XTC will naturally vote for XTC giving a disproportionate view of how many actually want XTC, because the non-XTCers will vote for the other options. That was a bit wordy but i hope it made sense.
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I voted for PCI-E. The number one most required feature IMO is OS X support -- and that can't come without PCI-E cards. It would probably be pretty easy to port Scope over to OS X now that OS X runs on Intel. I don't know how they would handle older Macs, though. PCI-E wasn't around on the Mac for that long before Apple switched to Intel, and it might be rather silly to port Scope to PCI-E for PowerPC OS X for the small number of computers that are running all three.
I think PCI-E for Windows and Intel Mac is the way to go.
Shayne
I think PCI-E for Windows and Intel Mac is the way to go.
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5.0 just needs a few fixes and updates, which are well known, like syncing to 88.2khz, full mackie control implementation and vista drivers. that will allow the company to move forward. anything else is gravy, so suggest/wish all you like.
i wouldn't break a good thing just to have any of these suggestions including pci-e and the latest sharcs. it'd be nice to see the basics stay as they are, scope works exceptionally well, sounds great and still has no competitor. i'd like to see these suggestions as augmentations. i'm really glad to see people write about pci-e cards in the future rather than firewire....
i wouldn't break a good thing just to have any of these suggestions including pci-e and the latest sharcs. it'd be nice to see the basics stay as they are, scope works exceptionally well, sounds great and still has no competitor. i'd like to see these suggestions as augmentations. i'm really glad to see people write about pci-e cards in the future rather than firewire....
I agree with that.garyb wrote:5.0 just needs a few fixes and updates
However... If you added to that, sharc's suggestion of direct access to all installed audio & midi devices from within SFP, then you'd also be able to make use of new PCIe dsp cards when they arrive, since combo PCI / PCIe mobos should be around for a good few years.
Anyway, who are we to say what's best? I think the SonicCore team are more experienced in making these decisions than anyone barking suggestions (& in some cases unrealistic demands) at them.