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Post by junklight »

Dr Walker of Air Liquide has a Noah page up:

http://www.dr-walker.com/noah.html

including - camouflage mockups, Dr Walkers pseudo hip hop style bull shit and some rather good demo tracks. If you like recent Air Liquide ("X") or other Dr. Walker stuff then its well worth checking out.

I gather he rather likes the Minimax (the NOAH minimoog emu).

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Post by subhuman »

Posted here last week :wink: But that is a nice link.

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... 10&start=0
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Post by dxl »

very concern about it's Power again...
you can't get very much voices on that machine, the price shouldn't be 2000USD
and you can add another 6DSP only?
max 12 DSP?
how many parts?
i feel it's still distence to supernova2's ability.
the Noah's demos don't sound that good because the lack of effects( it's actaully lack of DSP)......
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Post by V6 »

Att DXL"

Are you a Robot placed here to balance the info,- or just a stupid "NO" person!

Just wondering!

Some people are saying YES to life, other peeps use life to complain. What do you do?!

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oops - sorry to post the link again. Missed the last lot.

DXL - get a life. We know that creamware stuff ain't good enough for you - please do us all a favour and move on....

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Post by algorhythm »

to DXL - :razz: - constructive criticism is a good thing. your baseless opinions are annoying us all, not providing useful information, and are not good for your own mental health.

I will buy your Pulsar so that you can go get an RME or MOTU card or some "positive life outlook" therapy - it'll make all of our days that much brighter.

- To the nihilist in all of us! ;


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plz if you find my posts not helpful
plz move on and ignore me, get used to ignore some boring meaningless thing will get your life easier isn't it?

i'm sorry for letting some of u people down, but for a hardware synth, u hardly find a synth with max 4~8 (maybe) voice, 3 or 4 parts(maybe), and 16 knobs, especially at that price range, althought it have lots new features..... you know what i want to say.

plz define "life" i have been squered in this word for 5month.... is education really that important?... (should i go to univeristy or just graduated from highschool?) what is actually the point of working hard? won't u loose everything after the end of your days? won't the huamn civilization dissippear after the end of earth or this solar system?huh, many people try to be polite by being opposit of ur trueself, what is the point? want peace forever so that everyone will be happy and have a life? if peace forever, how to make new action movies? oh and how to get pariatic in peace?

I dont know why some of you love pulsar that much, but maybe like what i said, Creamware was once your Super big savior in ur music creation, and maybe for ur income, especially back in 1998, Computer isn't enought power for real multimedia. so after years later time changes, that big gap isn't there anymore. however many pulsar user still still love that product so much, of coz you people will automatically remark to the people who think pulsar is useless and try to change their thinking. however i get disscourage by no real help from creamwaer support before, which they start being active again now for sure, and being disscouraged by the actual power. I strongly recommand Creamware do some same simples things as TC and UAD-1 by showing howmany plugins can be used, and clear easy to find support data, yet i(many of you also) see improvement during this 2 month isn't it? Oh, and i took a deep look into the V3 menual last month, it's 2 time more useful than the V2's. anyhow i managed to use V2 by trial and error. If you want to say don't campare to those two big names, then you are wrong, we are in reality, inorder to keep up they need to work harder although that that much staffs, but isn't it call "life"?
want the truth or not the truth?
which one you wish to come first?

However, some of u guys are doing great job on convincing others. i now find that STS sampler, mixer, some effects are usefull. Also i started to persuade myself that 6DSP power is OK. i'm still considering to get another 3DSP or not.

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Post by Spirit »

If Planet Z is Valhalla, DXL is sort of like our Loki. That would make Subhuman Odin sitting by the Tree of Knowledge ? :lol:
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"i'm sorry for letting some of u people down, but for a hardware synth..."

You are not "letting people down" its just - why are you here? If the NOAH is not what you want then don't buy it - if the creamware board doens't do what you want or is in your opinion too expensive then use something else. You might want to look at <a href="http://www.harmony-central.com">harmony central</a> or <a href="http://www.sospubs.co.uk">sound on sound</a> There's a whole industry out there you know. Someone is bound to make something that you find suitable.

I think what really annoys people is that you come charging in to this board complaining that creamware are doing a bad job and that we are all stupid for liking their gear. And are you some hotshot producer who puts us all to shame? - no you are just some DJ kid who makes dull dance music by numbers.

If you are annoyed by creamware because you feel you can do better then good luck to you. Otherwise - sell your creamware gear - its clearly not the right stuff for you and if their marketing annoys you then don't read that either. So much negativity will fuck you up and hinder your progress through life.

We are not saying don't critisise creamware (god knows how anyone could get that opinion reading these boards). Stop however slagging us off for having found a tool that works for us.

You are not some saviour come to point out that the emperor has no clothes - we are not stupid we know the power AND limitations of the creamware stuff and thats why we use it - its the right equipment at the right price.

And what do I mean by "get a life": You can either move through your existence assuming you know better than everyone else with your blinkers down and miss out completely or you can experience life - learning from those who have been before and contributing positively to the sum of human knowledge and creativity. The choice is yours. It seems sad to have decided that you don't want to take part so young.

mark

Oh and don't buy more DSP - sell the board. Its only making you unhappy.

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Post by Spirit »

* A hard rain for Noah
* Tide turns for Noah
* When Yes means Noah
* Noah all at sea
* A flood of interest in Noah

Oh, and have you heard about the three new "cut down" versions of Noah ? These "sons of Noah" are being tentatively called SHEM, HAM, and JAPETH. The CW marketing Dept is still working on the slogans...
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AAi, Dr. Walker's stuff is wierd.. pseudo hiphop? Whatever it is. A good excuse to create a media catch tho. Pseudo hiphop.. hehe.

As for me, I want to see something that uses the new atoms for Noah. Something that only Noah can do. Who cares if it's got a new moog emulator that's absolutely "true-to-the-original", "authentic", "phat", "warm" or any other over used catalogue seasoning terms. Haven't the world enough moog clones. I've still yet to find owning a Noah along with a Pulsar any useful. (unless your pulsar crashes every other day) Oh yeah, but with Noah, you can finally gig with it. That's cool. I hope they've done their MIDI implementation right this time.

As with dxl.. heck, I think he's getting better these days. I mean, you see him being constructive in some threads.. it's almost unbelievable. And as a result of these mysteriously positive vibes, I think Mt. Fuji's going to erupt. :lol: aah, ya know I'm just kiddin' around dxl.
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Post by Nestor »

There is so much pain in the world! There are so many people fighting each other, killing each other, insulting each other. Religious believes and fanaticisms are going worst all the time. Governmental Institutions try to gather people through terrible lies and people apparently ignoring that, go to bed at night feeling strangely satisfied but intuitive understanding knows there is something wrong going on. So much violence, so much hostility, what for?

Animals some times enjoy a much appealing life than us, at least to my eyes, especially when I watch the appalling things going on all around the planet. A bird goes here and there, flying without restrictions enjoying the immensity of the space without trouble, without mind. So much pain! So much pain! So much pain! What for?

We don't need more of that, but respect, good feelings, friendliness, knowledge, a sharing relationship instead of a competition of words. We need LOVE, real love beyond the scope of our own present concepts of life, death, religion, politics, music, etc. We need to be extremely tolerant to each other, so we build a better world. This is not utopia, it's possible and you know it's possible when you become actively conscious!

Honestly, I'm not preaching you or something like that, not at all. I'm just sad of what is going on in the world, and think that we need to change our way to solve the problem at least, a little bit.

Please, think about this a little, and you might find yourself surrounded with beautiful harts, in the midst of sensitive people to love. People you couldn't see before because you didn't reflect deeply enough on your approach to life, people that have always being there, waiting for you!!!

Common man, go giving a wonderful kiss to your Mom, she's waiting for your love! And believe me, you can't implement this with more DSP power, but with more good will power coming from the very bottom of your heart!!!

REAL PEACE FOR YOU ALL, FRIENDS OF PLANET Z


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Extremely sensible! Thanks for such wonderful link of reflections.
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If you 'like' that, check http://www.moby-online.com and check 'Why Everything Is Wrong' under his Essays... :wink:

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i'm sorry for letting some of u people down, but for a hardware synth, u hardly find a synth with max 4~8 (maybe) voice, 3 or 4 parts(maybe), and 16 knobs, especially at that price range, althought it have lots new features..... you know what i want to say.
Then again, not many synths can claim to have 4 different synths, modelled guitar and bassguitar, a hammond organ, a drummachine, and a full-feautured vocoder, step-sequencer, arpeggiator, 30 effects.
Plus it's expandable with new instruments, just like the Pulsar.

I think you are completely missing the point by complaining about there not being enough voices, DSP's (you said yourself you are still working with 6 DSP's, and you are complaining that NOA has "only" max 12 DSP's??) This synth is about flexibility and expandability.

But you obviously don't understand that because as you said, you have no idea why people love Pulsar so much. I have.

If you don't like it, don't use it. We all know Pulsar is not perfect, nothing is. But it has certainly been getting better and better and for the price, I think you'd be hard put to find something that does better what Pulsar does.

That's all I wanted to say.

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The ADAT
The first free routin system, pretty cool actually
The best GUI in 1998!! Now still looks great!!

The modular2 (super big interface, reaktor is better and mroe flaxable, but 3 times mroe expensive, so just the slow graphic and super big interface make work hard.)

The legendary P3 700mhz DSP borad back in P2 300mhz year, which makes people having a Super computer!! 1.05G!!!! which is introudced two years later, which stated a true cheap Virtual studio, with quality sounds.

It's getting better for the price for PulsarI users!! due to the free update. and effects finally being useful after V3, and it's software with bugy drivers have improved dratically!!
ESpecially at that time(1998), who can resist it??

people still love it for it's Routin system, but if you bought pulsar's first thoguht is (it's CPU free, which i bet most of you did in first place).... then the new pulsar users won't be that satisfied, especially when the Price is still the same.



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Synthesis System Analogue Sound Modelling.
Polyphony Polyphony 24 Voice (expandable) for
the standard Supernova II, 36 Voice for
the Supernova II Pro and 48 voice for
the Supernova Pro X.
Sound Sources per Voice
3 Oscillators, 2 Ring Modulators and a Noise Generator.
FM Algorithms
8 different Fm / Ring Mod Algorithms
Modulation Matrix
Comprehensive Modulation Matrix with over 130 possible routings.
Multitimbral capacity
8 part Multitimbral.
Filter
12, 18 and 24 dB per octave Resonant
filter configurable in Low Pass, High Pass and Band Pass modes. The filter also features an overdrive control.
LFOs
2 LFOs capable of oscillating at Audio rates.
Program Effects
Distortion, Comb Filter, EQ, Reverb, Chorus/Flanger/Phaser/Ensemble, Delay and Panning effects for each Program.
Vocoder
42 band vocoder with sibilance modes and spectrum analyzer.
Total number of Effects
56 Effects available simultaneously. 7 Effects for each of the 8 Parts of a Performance plus the Vocoder. Yes you can have a different Reverb on each part, a different Delay on eachpart, a different Chorus etc.
Number of Intputs
2 balanced inputs routable to filter,
effects, vocoder or all.
Number of Outputs
8 assignable polyphonic outputs with high quality DACs for each output.
Number of Programs
1024 Programs in 8 banks.
Number of Performances
512 in 4 banks.
Number of Favorites
128
Arpeggiator
Built in Arpeggiator with 384 Preset Polyphonic, Preset Monophonic and User Programmable Polyphonic and Monophonic Patterns. 8 Arpeggiators are available simultaneously in Performance mode.
Keyboard
High quality 5 octave semi weighted keyboard with aftertouch.
Control
All knobs, switches and Parameters
transmit MIDI Controllers and NRPNs.
Operating System
Flash upgradeable operating system
via MIDI. Free as a MIDI file on our Web Site.
Power Requirement Multi Voltage built in power supply.
MIDI In/Out/Thru.
Dimentsions
Weight
Expansion options 12 & 24 voice expander cards for the Supernova II.
24 voice expander card for the
Supernova II Pro.
ADAT / SPDIF Digital I/O card can be
fitted to all models.


Please 4~7voice/2effect/2parts/16knobs/with sampler(STS? or ? how many DSP needed?) supernova can produce a wide range of sound, but each pulsar synths can't therefore need several synths, which u can have unlimited possibility but.. and the minimoog.... so many clone in this world already.

SupernovaII cost 2300USD
Noah cost 2000USD

please tell me why you think that price is not too much? i can't see it myself.
maybe creamware should make it 3000USD, make it 16(min) poly/8parts/24effects running at the sametime, and with all his special unique features.

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Post by caleb »

Hmmmm. I think I remember DXL on another forum - just as gloomy.

But I'm not going to go around knocking a Supernova. That machine is fantastic.

However, if I've gone to the trouble composing with my Pulsar and then I wanted to take it on the road, the NOAH doesn't seem like a bad deal - unless I think I can emulate it all perfectly on a Supernova which I won't be able to.

I was pretty unlikely to buy the NOAH anyway because I think it's more useful to live performers which just ain't me. However, you've done one thing for me DXL, I'll definitely consider the Supernova if I want a bitching outboard synth.

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Well, it looks like he works for Novation after all :smile:
Seriously though, the SuperNova has an impressive spec, and it sure looks even more impressive by listing it in the silly way DXL did, I bet you can make a list just as long with the NOAH. Still you can forget about ever updating your Nova with new synth plug-ins like Noah, which is probably it's most interesting feauture (for a synth keyboard).
Again dxl, if you don't like it, don't use it! What's the point in coming here and slagging off the Noah which hasn't even been released yet, (and consequently, you haven't used it yet) and throwing in stupid spec sheets of another synth to prove it's somehow inferior. What's the point? Do you judge sytnhs on spec sheets all the time?

I personally am not interested in buying the Noah at all, because I already have Pulsar and I'm not a live musician, but I do admire CW for trying to do something different and new (well, sort of) and expanding the possibilities of the Scope platform.

As for your post before the Nova list, I couldn't understand a word of what you were trying to say there, sorry.
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