XITE and 3rd party software

[bill3107]

amazing (although i do not use Adern so much) but :
1) I thought 3rd party developpers are in charge of developping (or not) for Xite / scope 5 compatibility ? May be Ia ma wrong ? I mean, 3rd party companies developp both plugins and compatbility right ? I do not think Soniccore says "no we do not want you to developp for Xite"

2) If not (if Soniccore would have to handle the compatibility), that would mean Soniccore developpers would have to work hard to help 3rd party developpers to enter Scope 5 ... I can just imagine that Soniccore cannot spend too much time on this (damn there is so much new things to come : scope 5, new hardware, options for Xite, Bowen stuff, etc...). Furthermore, Soncicore is, IMHO, mainly aiming at mobile musicians rather than sound designers ... Cos Xite can become very intersting for live (recording or sequences/synth/fx) or for musicians (like me ) looking for a more mobile studio ... They have to focus on their main target. As for the synth aspect, John Bowen brings fame and skills hard to beat and I do understand Soniccore is ready to spend time with this synth guru...

Just my opinion though ... May be modular synth has some specific restrictions that make Adern plugins (modular stuff) harder to handle with scope 5 and Xite...

[cyril108]

As i was seeing Xite as a huge dsp modular system, and a serious alternative to clavia modular, flexor noncompatibility is a very very bad new! Mod III + flexor + cwmodular stuffs + Spacef stuffs + zarg stuffs = the most complete modular/semi modular kit i know. And a good reason to not buy a so expansive system (as modular was the most important point for me)? I hope it will change!

Cyril

[Ben Walker]

I guess we shouldn't panic too much as we don't know that Flexor will not work under Scope5. No reason as yet to believe that it won't.

Ben

[pling]

i hope Assaf simply got up on the wrong side of the bed. flexor is important indeed.

[wolf]

Hi again,

I must clarify something. I wrote:
"So if you installed your personal register files correctly it works on any scope platform right away."
Correct is:
"So if you installed your personal register files correctly it works on any existing scope platform right away."
Since I have no access to scope5 or xite, of course I can't tell if my devices will work correct with these configs.
I/You must trust here on SonicCores statement regarding compatibility to exisiting devices.

all the best,
Wolfgang

[kylie]

Correct is:
"So if you installed your personal register files correctly it works on any existing scope platform right away."
Since I have no access to scope5 or xite, of course I can't tell if my devices will work correct with these configs.

ah, I already wondered if you can tell from your own experience with a scope5 developers preview

[Shayne White]

This really sounds fishy to me. Did Adern receive a beta copy of Scope 5 to test Flexor on, and found that Flexor did not work, so that they either:

a) decided NOT to fix the problems, in which case that's not SonicCore's fault, or

b) SonicCore refused to give/sell them new developer tools? And why would they do that, considering other people like Bowen and DAS are obviously on board with Xite?

Red_Muze' message was very vague and gave no details as to why they would pack up and leave Scope. I remain skeptical it is SonicCore to blame.

Shayne

[Fluxpod]

I just assume it gets sorted...i cant upgrade to v5 otherwise and that would piss me off bigtime.I cant live without flexor...its not even remotly possible!And i do not care if its available in the vst world.....The only thing i use in vst is reaktor and the korg legacy stuff...everything else is not interresting, for me atleast.

[dawman]

Well it seems apparent to me that I must use the new version of Flexor as a VST. But Assaf mentioned it would still work on DSP systems, so I am a little confused. But I am not confused about it's aquisition. Where Flexor goes, I will follow.

It will be interesting to see how Modular and the new app. will work together. Perhaps Adern will use a unique way to add it's modules through a virtual CV input in Modular?

I know Assaf is a proud developer and admire his new direction. The fact that our License's still have worth is very considerate.

I know one thing is certain, polyphony in XITE-1 was questionable, in VST / AU it should be resource dependant.


Good Luck To All Involved.

[erminardi]

Well it seems apparent to me that I must use the new version of Flexor as a VST. (...) I know Assaf is a proud developer and admire his new direction. The fact that our License's still have worth is very considerate.
(...)in VST / AU it should be resource dependant.

Yeah, but forget the overall sound quality... VST/native sounds like toys!
Flexor is a killer compared i.e. to Reaktor (a good VST comparation) only because it has a Shark DSP backgroud.
Well, if Assaf (a great developper ) goes to native, I'm ok with my beloved Scope board system + Flexor III, as I said time ago: Scope is more like i.e. an hardware (Fairlight, Synclavier, etc.), so don't needs to be forced to upgrade if is not a REAL upgrade.
10x power is relative if I cannot continue with Flexor, third part devices, SDK, etc.

S|C, yes, Xite is very interesting: portable, insane powered, more compatible with actual standards, but beware to higher price speculation, stange third part developpers policy, etc. because Scope is still a good and cheap choice.
An please pay attention to old customers care
This is not an accuse but just a consideration

[erminardi]

but fear not!

the next version of flexor is in development and all our old users will be able to use it even without scope or xite, and it will be a MAJOR upgrade :>
(i cant say much more but stay tuned more info is soon to follow)

cheers!
Assaf

Diffrent thing if Adern will develop a proprietary DSP board!!!

[dawman]

That was a good example of Reaktor. I totally agree, as a friend of mine always gets excited and shows me a new synth he created, and while some are unique and digital, the analog emulated creations are weak in nature.

But I believe the extra power that comes w/ new quads and dual cores could be harnessed. I never liked any VSTi's until I heard FM7 to FM8's new quality, and a good little VSTi called Rapture allows analog performance features like seperate Oscillator glide amounts, and decent filters, with sweet sounding waveforms.

My first test with the new Adern product will be with his marvelous LP Butter. If it sucks, I'll use Adern stuff for controlling events more. Besides, JBowen and SpaceF's filters are all top shelf emulations, and can be used in mixers, effect insert slots and synths.

Better integration apsects might be a huge benefit too.


I can't imagine Solaris as a VSTi w/ a hardware interface though.

[garyb]

there won't be any "extra" power from new cpus. the sequencers themselves will eat it.....

[Sounddesigner]

Well it seems apparent to me that I must use the new version of Flexor as a VST. (...) I know Assaf is a proud developer and admire his new direction. The fact that our License's still have worth is very considerate.
(...)in VST / AU it should be resource dependant.

Yeah, but forget the overall sound quality... VST/native sounds like toys!

10x power is relative if I cannot continue with Flexor, third part devices, SDK, etc.

Agreed to a large Extent! I only hope XITE-1 increase in software Sophistication from Modular and SDK standpoint and not increase in limitations by loosing things like Flexor and still having no Limitation removal in regards to poliphony and keeping SDK hinderances. I'm not just looking for a typical plugin outlet with SCOPE but a true enviroment with no limitations in sounddesigning and developing (aswell as the great plugins and other things). I now own very few Native plugins, if i thought their quality was that great i'd still own many, but my ears won't allow that. There are a few Native's i like but considering the size of the platform it really has'nt accomplished much, and tho the Quality of those few plugins is great the SCOPE still has the Edge and SCOPE is the first my hands tend to reach for. But with Flexor as Native solution that will take a huge attraction from XITE-SCOPE when other consumers hear it's quality and look at it's capability, suddenly a dsp-Box/card with limitations won't look so good. It's true that Native cpu is more powerfull now but for my taste if it posses few quality plugins it's useless power, more of a ceremonial king rather then one of true authority. And if XITE-1 presents too many software limitations that prevent high sophistication in designs then it's power is not seen as that great either. The gloves have to be taken off and i hope Sonic Core is 'in it to win it'. If XITE-1 is at the price point of Kyma then it's capability should grow beyond. I will still buy XITE-1 and give S|C their deserved chance to take off the gloves and hit hard. Plus i really do want to use all my SCOPE plugins by many great third-party developers at 96khz, but the next time in my life i have $4000 what will convince me to get another XITE-1 and not buy Kyma or invest heavily in what will be a more improved Native Platform?

[Shayne White]

But I believe the extra power that comes w/ new quads and dual cores could be harnessed.

Well, multiple cores only go so far. The fact is that one instance of one Native synth can only run on one core. If you have one hundred cores but each of them are 1GHz, that doesn't get you too far with the latest plugins. IMO Intel needs to continue to ramp up clock speeds, not just add more cores.

This is in contrast to DSP plugins, where one synth can span multiple DSPs (assuming phase issues are taken care of).

Shayne