Tangential argument over the market value of an A16

[astroman]

... It is increasingly difficult to get any kind of deal when all of you come here to tell me and everyone else reading this how wrong I am with this. If you hate to see them go that cheaply, start your own thread and offer to buy them with 'proper' prices. ...

well, you bumbed your own thread after 4 months without response
I only made 1 statement that the A16 has a real reputation for it's 'sound' with some people (like the Blackface Adat) and not some fake status.
Imho your original suggestion was so far beyond reality, there was few to spoil anyway.

and yes, one could even charge to dispose analogue consoles from broadcast studios in the beginning of the so called 'digital era', in particular the tube based stuff...

cheers, Tom

[garyb]

and yes, one could even charge to dispose analogue consoles from broadcast studios in the beginning of the so called 'digital era', in particular the tube based stuff...

cheers, Tom

sooooo true!

sorry Joat, not personal, just funny because it's true...big business, old analog consoles and their input stages....

btw-i have an A8 if you want to spend that $100 and shipping in case no one has an A16 for you...

[kylie]

Since my thread is converting to a debate about the streetprices and the justification of them, I think I need to rephrase myself yet again.

there is no such thing as justification of A16 streetprices. they just go for the prices mentioned, for whatever reason. as long as other people are willing to pay lets say 200 EUR for a unit with even a questionable background, their reasons are irrelevant for you.
one might want it for the "vintage touch" it is rumoured to have, others just want another unit matching the one they've already got, and others like it for its rackspace saving design. I mean, how many affordable converters with 16 I/O taking up 1U only are out there?
if you don't care that 4 ADATs will take 4x3U and may draw much more power than the single A16 (ok, 2) and have to be managed for doing their conversion job (I somehow remember you have to arm the tracks, but maybe I'm wrong here) instead of just switching a single unit (or two) on, it's absolutely fine, as long as you're satisfied with what you have, and the price, of course. I for one wouldn't pay more than my budget for gear that has no more advantages for me than just some vintage touch, too. if there are additional reasons to have it nevertheless, I'd take the included vintage as a free bonus, of course

I still am willing to buy one with the terms stated above. But if there's actually a market for these 'vintage status' converters that justify the price of 200 euros and above, I am over my head here.

if you find a person to sell you his unit for the price you want it to have, great. but why should anyone sell it for less than half the price he could get from anybody else (apart from doing you a favor)?
just because you don't think it's not worth that price? come on
and there is no point in discussing why stuff on ebay sells for this or that price. if we only knew...

-greetings, markus-

[Joat]

I asked the moderator to remove this thread. After this is removed I will post another. I'm trying to buy A16 and this thread is not going to make it happen. Even if someone would be willing to sell with the price I am willing to pay, he will not after reading this through.

I respect all of your opinions considering the market value of these things. Now respect my effort of wanting to buy one for the price I can afford.

[kylie]

I respect all of your opinions considering the market value of these things. Now respect my effort of wanting to buy one for the price I can afford.

I do, believe me. but I somehow doubt this is gonna happen, except you are very lucky. it's the same thing with any other gear out there...

I've been trying to get a studio clock for years, for a price I am willing to pay. it's needless to say that I don't have one yet. but I'm kinda afraid I will have to pay what the market wants or I'll end up without one.

nobody wants to force you to buy stuff for a price you can't afford. nevertheless it might be necessary to adjust your preferences then. btw, are 4 ADATs really that less expensive than an A16? I'd expect huge shipping costs.

-greetings, markus-

[Joat]

What we are talking here is old stuff. For some it is useless junk, for others the same stuff is needed or valuable items. There is no such thing as fixed value in used gear. You might get more, you might get less. And your preferences might be rather "I want a good price, and can tolerate a longer selling time" or "I can settle for less, and I just want to get this out of my hands quickly". I'm trying to appeal to the latter mindset.

I am not even competing with anyone as far as I know. There is no other WTB - ads of A16mkI. At least that I'm aware of.

My mindset is that I could wait and buy one with "accepted" market value when I have enough to spend. Or this I'm trying to do now.

And the reason I bumped this after months in the first place is that it was originally an ad of "wtb pulsar mk1 and a16mk1". The price limit was there from the start. And I got myself a Pulsar mk1 for the price I could afford already. Believe me, it can happen. But not when everyone and their cousin comes here and tells their opinion of pricing in my ad. On some other forums it is forbidden to comment on asking prices / wtb - prices on ads. Which, to me, seems like a well justified decision.

[kylie]

What we are talking here is old stuff. For some it is useless junk, for others the same stuff is needed or valuable items. There is no such thing as fixed value in used gear.

"old stuff" does not necessarily mean it has no value. people are not stupid. the news that there are other platforms to sell and buy stuff have reached PlanetZ already years ago...
but items with a limited availability and a certain reputation usually have a higher entry level than mediocre stuff there is plenty of and lots of people wanting to get rid of it.

I am not even competing with anyone as far as I know. There is no other WTB - ads of A16mkI. At least that I'm aware of.

that could as well mean you are neither competion to people who want to get more for an A16 nor to people who would easily spend more. something that might change, of course.

And the reason I bumped this after months in the first place is that it was originally an ad of "wtb pulsar mk1 and a16mk1". The price limit was there from the start. And I got myself a Pulsar mk1 for the price I could afford already. Believe me, it can happen.

I know that it can happen. I just don't expect it too soon. if you have no pressing needs for it, waiting is the best thing you can do. I have no problem with that, it's what I do as well. but the more specific your demand is, the narrower the chances to get it with your price tag on it.

But not when everyone and their cousin comes here and tells their opinion of pricing in my ad. On some other forums it is forbidden to comment on asking prices / wtb - prices on ads. Which, to me, seems like a well justified decision.

then an open forum might not be the perfect place for you to make a sore dick deal[tm]. but this is planetz. bumping the ad after months should imply you know what the rules are. if you can't agree with that, why bumping then and complaining afterwards?

-greetings, markus-

[Joat]

For crying out loud, CAN'T THIS THREAD BE DELETED ALREADY?

[kylie]

yes, deleting this thread will change everything *yawn*

[Joat]

No it wont. But it will take this thread away.

I'm not even going to start a new one.

Sick and tired of all of you.

Have your cake and eat it.

And to speed up the deletion, I'll write up something in Finnish. It may be extremely offensive. Or not.

Melko säälittävää että täältä löytyy tässäkin määrin jengiä, kuten KYLIE, SHROOMZ ja ASTROMAN joilla ei tunnu olevan parempaa tekemistä kuin toimia hintapoliiseina toisten puolesta. Kuuluuko se minulle ollenkaan millä hinnalla te kauppaa teette? Ei. Ei kuulu teillekään millä hinnalla minä teen. Ärsyttää siinä määrin että saatte pitää tunkkinne. Näillä foorumeilla ei taida tätä naamaa enää pahemmin tämän jälkeen näkyä.

Lisäänpä tähän muutaman poistamista vaudittavan ja etäisesti asiaan liittyvän täytesanan kuten natsi ja kyttä ja totalitaristinen ja gestapo.

Jokohan tämä riittäisi poistamisen perusteiksi?

And that's all I got to say about that. You can delete my account too while you're at it. And ban my IP if you want. I don't care.

[kylie]

well, nobody was so kind to sell stuff to your price, why would anyone do you the favour to ban you?
btw, I don't understand a single word of your finnish essay, but to me it has a nice sound, so I won't take offense.
and I did not read the words totalitaristinen and gestapo, of course

Nett, dass Du für uns die beleidigte Leberwurst spielst. Wir sind ja alle so böse. Niemand schenkt Dir sein Zeug. Und dann machen sie auch noch die Preise kaputt. Tststs...

-greetings, markus-

[garyb]

someone is stopping someone from buying or selling at their favorite price? nonsense!


see, this is the problem with plastics that leech estrogen-like compounds into food and water. men start acting like girls.

[Joat]

Yeah, I'm the dick and a girl here. And you are all mad at me. I did not say that. I am the one who has the nerve to be pissed here for everybody stat ing that my price request is too low. By doing so you tell to the potential seller they should not sell to me with this price. Tell me this:

Why does it concern you in any way?

If you would just like to tell me my price request is off, why don't you pm me? This whole conversation could have had with pm's and I would have had no problem with it. I would not have had any reason to be pissed even. Everybody's entitled to an opinion. And I am totally ok with that. I just think this is really a wrong place to vent them. Because it destroys the sole purpose of this thread.

Which was to advertise my willingness to buy a16 with a price I can afford.

And for your information, I am a Creamware / SonicCore fan. I have two Pulsars and one A16. My first contact with the system was when it hit the shops.

First install on my own machine was version 1.0, which was patched to 1,03 or something shortly after. Machine was 133 mhz pentium and the os was Windows 95(?). I wanted it back then, I still think it's cool ten years later.

My main motivation for expanding is to get enough i/o to mix with analog console. I am also considering buying DAS reverbs to go with the system.

I have read planetz regularily and have found it helpful and educating on many aspects.

I am frankly both surprised and appauled by the sudden tone of schoolyard bullyism this thread has spawned. Back in the days when I was at school I was not a bully. I was not bullied either, because I gained a reputation of fighting those who tried, no matter how many of them there was. I'm sorry if the reaction here is somewhat similar.

I would not do to your thread what you have done to this one. And I think it's wrong. Done by whoever and to whoever.

[John Cooper]

Next time you want to send me a message, send me a message.
(as in private msg or email).
I'm not paying attention to every thread, and didn't notice this one, and to be honest, i don't plan to read all the way through it.

google's translation of your finnish did ok, but missed a few words

will deleting this actually accomplish anything?

guys, from what i can tell in my brief survey here, this guy can afford X amount. you think X is too low. what's the problem? give the guy a break - maybe someone will have one cheap for him, maybe not. no need to turn this into a big argument.

-john

[Joat]

I did send you a message. Actually I send you a notification. In that I also explained why I want to have this deleted.

If you did not get it, you still seem to get the point I'm trying to make without even reading the whole thing through. I really appreciate that.

Now, let this vanish into oblivion. One way or another.

[John Cooper]

I did send you a message. Actually I send you a notification. In that I also explained why I want to have this deleted.

Sorry I didn't notice that. I wish the board would send me a notification when someone tags a post with a report, but I don't know a way to do that.

I guess I'll lock this thread, rather than delete it... I generally avoid deleting threads, unless it's spam...

Cheers,
-John