Creamware vs CPU DAWs solutions

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Sun Apr 21, 2002 10:48 pm

We're all waiting for the Scope Fusion 3.1
There are few bugs Creamware has to fix with the 3.1 release:
1. rm242 bug
2. cd(s) bug
3. sts3000 distortion bug
4. 24bit wmd
5. gsif

In the same time, in the technological race, we can see that CPUs based DAWs solutions can today rivalize or even outperform our DSPs based systems, and can do this with a much better price.

Seeing this, an idea has come in my mind: to stay attractive in this market, Creamware has to fix all the bugs exposed, but it's not the only thing they has to do.

To stay competitive, Creamware has to do a decisive offer. All Creamware's users must have more professional tools.

So why not giving at all users (for free, naturally) all the Scope and the Noah plugins?

In my opinion this has to be done soon or later. Perhaps soon is better for Creamware and users.

Please tell me if I'm wrong.

And if you think I'm right, couldn't we make a petition and send it to Creamware?

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:24 pm

Why not ! And $500 cash would be nice too.

But seriously, in a slow way this is already happening. Over time you see plugins that were extras become standard. For example, new users get the STS3000 and ModV2 and PulsarMixer and effects, and and and.... all for free with their PulsarII.

It's a great deal.

gearslut · Post by **gearslut** » Sun Apr 21, 2002 11:30 pm

If you measure Creamware's comptetiveness solely on their effects, than you may be right about them falling behind to TC and some of the new players. However, no one has been able to beat Creamware's software synths without relying on host CPU (especially the Modular 2!) Beware though, TC Powercore is about to get Access Virus plug-in.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 9:00 am

big deal! if you want to use those things with cw,you can.the scope platform integrates EVERYTHING.it's not a battle for gear glory,nor is it a race. sheeesh.

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dxl · Post by **dxl** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 9:01 am

Oasys has better sound, but far less variaty.
Creamware.... the only open platform for DSP synth, the best choice for computer DSP synths.
and they aint software synth.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:20 am

To stay competitive, Creamware has to do a decisive offer. All Creamware's users must have more professional tools.

So why not giving at all users (for free, naturally) all the Scope and the Noah plugins?

Tell me again why Creamware MUST give away all their plugins for free, when people (me included) are perfectly happy to pay money for a good plugin?
I thought the Pro-pack offer was already astounding value for money, and yes in time some of this stuff will come for free. The platform is evolving, so is the software.

Creamware still has no real direct competition when it comes to all-in-one integrated DSP platforms.

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:22 am

Is this really an Announcement?

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:24 am

No, it's a readme file !

John Cooper · Post by **John Cooper** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 11:41 am

On 2002-04-22 11:22, subhuman wrote:
Is this really an Announcement?

moving to general discussion...
-john

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 2:05 pm

the world is still evolving and so as we, other companies, even the universe,

On 2002-04-22 11:20, King of Snake wrote:
To stay competitive, Creamware has to do a decisive offer. All Creamware's users must have more professional tools.

So why not giving at all users (for free, naturally) all the Scope and the Noah plugins?
Tell me again why Creamware MUST give away all their plugins for free, when people (me included) are perfectly happy to pay money for a good plugin?
I thought the Pro-pack offer was already astounding value for money, and yes in time some of this stuff will come for free. The platform is evolving, so is the software.

Creamware still has no real direct competition when it comes to all-in-one integrated DSP platforms.

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 3:06 pm

On 2002-04-22 11:22, subhuman wrote:
Is this really an Announcement?

I apologize for my mistake, but reading the announcements I was not able to understand what is an announcement. So I've just tried...

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 3:21 pm

But seriously, there's more and more quality softsynths based only on CPUs, and more mixing and mastering tools too, all this with crazy latencies ( 1,5 ms; 2ms rivalizing with ULLI latencies!!).
With the rising of WDM drivers supported by Microsoft, systems based on CPUs allows equals or better latencies than our DSP based systems!
The basic Creamware's packages don't include mastering tools as the scope package. Why? With this situation, users are going to compare the prices of CPU and DSP plugins, and who will win this race is not certain.
I'm not sure that today DSP based solutions are better than CPU + I/O DAWs. I think time works for CPUs.
That's why I think my idea is not totally stupid

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:27 pm

People where starting to feel the same way about Protools, then came Protools HD...
Once you try (like I did)running a session with 128 tracks and 640 plugin's, you KNOW that the imediate future still belongs to the DSP's !!!
I also think that you'll see Creamware's next generation hardware "overtaking" the native solutions.
For now, a couple of Creamware cards is WAY beyond what native only can do. And you can do all the native stuff at the same time as well...

Kim.

Post by **garyb** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 10:38 pm

so it's all good.

kimgr · Post by **kimgr** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 11:29 pm

Maybe I should change my login name to DSP-Junkie ?
After all, I've got 31 of them !!!
(Soon to be 46)

Kim.

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EarlyFirst · Post by **EarlyFirst** » Mon Apr 22, 2002 11:51 pm

junky! ;-0

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Tue Apr 23, 2002 12:38 am

Maybe it's time for the new generation of DSPs.
Seems that ours are getting old.
I would like to see no latencies in the graphics as in the audio part of Pulsar. Just to have a more natural way in working, and free the positives energies.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Tue Apr 23, 2002 7:13 am

But the graphics don't have anything to do with the DSP's.
But yes, new, more powerful DSP's would be nice, and I would be surprised if they did't show up in some new CW board in the near future.

caleb · Post by **caleb** » Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:02 am

Interestingly enough, I saw a couple of freeware VSTis the other day called Vivaldi and Ganymed.

They weren't that pretty to look at but they were both FM solutions. The difference seemed to be that the developer didn't want to compromise on the sound quality by economising for CPU cycles etc.

The result? A CPU hog and a half!!!

Now I can't verify that this guy was the worlds best VSTi developer, so I'm guessing this just from how he presented his product on his website, that if you really are serious about uncompromising quality with your oscillators, filters etc.., then you get one bitch of a synth to run even on a very pretty powerful CPU.

Perhaps VSTi synths like this should be compared to the Pulsar synths and then see which solution is better.

Sorry, I'm not really slagging the native solution but there does seem a difference in design philosophy between a Pulsar synth and a VSTi one that might make them uncomparable for performance - from this uneducated viewpoint anyway.

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Wed Apr 24, 2002 1:40 am

We have to compare what can be

Wich is the best one: Native Instruments Reaktor, or Modular V2?
Is GigaStudio a better choice than STS-5000?
All Native Instruments softsynths are outstanding with incredible sounds; we can't say that Creamware's synths are superior to Native Instruments ones.