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Black Friday(sale day after thanksgiving)

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I thought this is a trick but it's real. Thinking about Reaktor 5. Anyone have that? I'm getting the demo. That is a nice price!
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Excellent.......
They finally got the price to match the sound quality.
Sure to be a hit for the indoor artists.
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You don't like it? I have a friend who uses it as his main sound.
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Sorry to hear about it.
I have been around real synths too long and it has runined my abilty to make audio comprimises.
Besides, the long waiting period for sounds to be churned up is a no go on a stage.
If I have to wait for sounds, it would need to be stellar sounds as in Omnisphere ( which tends to sound like eveyone else ), or Assaf's Flexor VST.
Once you use Modular and make your own sounds, and then watch it snap from preset to preset glitch free, a nod of approval on practical use and sound quality is deserved.
Eventually CPU's will be incredibly powerful, and hopefully these computer synths can load a preset in a reasonable amount of time.
Loading one sound while playing another is a workaround but sadly these developers know their customers are strictly indoor performers who aren't concerned with such quality. I don't understand why you can't load while playing......? I had to do this w/ a rack of S770's back in the day, and it was a PITA, but these days the idea of having 2 DAW's so I can load while playing is just a typical VST developer shortcoming. It would require more depth in programming, more time and just an all around job ( like DSP Coding ) to become a live capable instrument.
I recently got slapped silly when I went to see the old keyboardist from Tangerine Dream w/ his all synth group.
He used nothing but MOTM, Oberheim SEM and an 8 voice Studio Electronics CODE w/ a Kyma X workstation.
I was humbled as I instantly heard the sound quality and was mesmorized. It's like when I go see the L.A. Philharmonic play for free here in Vegas, I go home and play my several thousand dollars of string libraries and realize may hypocracy can only go so far. I realize all of this virtual stuff is just cheap way to do a mock up of a composition. I do enjoy what I use, but if one were to hear what they do with real instruments on a stage, these conversations of people trying to sound all professional with their computers would be meaningless.
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Reaktor 5 is a no brainer for 99$€ it sounds great.One of the best vst around.I have reaktor for years and the user libary is very very big.
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I would probably get it but it doesn't come with a 64 bit version :(.
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It works w/ JBridge and OSC/Bidule 64bit.
It's the best synth app they make IMHO.
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Jbridge will slow it down and I imagine cause more frequent crashes. Wish I had more time to think about it. I guess I will play with it tomorrow. What exactly is Kore. I have Absynth 4. I'm not so excited about it when I turn the effects off.
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I believe he really prefers 64bit instead of 32bit.
JBridge would work, but if you really like having a 64bit rig, and your synths being built ground up for 64bit by a veteren hardware/software programmer, go with Eric Pershing.
He actually still has the old S770's we used in the early 90's and uses the hardware for referencing.
If you're never planning on leaving the house to gig or have your stuff heard publicly, the NI stuff has hundreds of presets so you can just play what everyone has made.But when these synths are played through real speakers they sound thin and weak. Other than that, they are a fine ITB/mp3 synth though.
Reaktor would be a great learning and programming tool and it has a decade of maturity, but it is a 32bit synth, and will never be rebuilt as 64bit. The resources are not there. I am sure eventually they will convert them but if 64bit is the direction you choose, go with a veteran who builds from the ground up for multicore usage and 64bit.
Spreading a synth across the cores is the way to go. Just putting a synth on a core that doesn't spread resources limits it's power.
I judge the sound by using my powered stage monitors and put synths up against my hardware synths, Prowave and Modular. If they sound good I would have bought more and used them. I would love to have quality sounds for those give away prices, but there's a reason they're being sold for peanuts.
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Yeah, it's really nice when everything you are using is 64 bit. I would trust a laptop with an SSD drive every bit as much as any hardware synthesizer on stage.
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Now you're going to far...... :wink:
I would use a laptop, and I am sure eventually I will, but as far as trust goes no way.
Perhaps if it was a RISC laptop w/ custom software.
But as long as we are using M$ and Snow Leopaard 19 I will never entrust my entire sound to it.
But the power next year of CPU's and new 64bit developers will be escalating quickly.
I trust Warp69's judgement, and realize my XITE-1 will be no biggie in 2011, but it is a frisky critter now and if S|C does release 64bit drivers, I will definately be using Flexor VST and EPershings stuff.
I will always have my hardware synth available if a crash occurs, but I have had 4 years of luck. I see Cubase guys falling down all the time, and Receptors tend to freeze up but mostly because of no screen viewing and human error of pressing 2 buttons simultaneously, etc.
Even listening to a Receptor which supposedly makes VSTi's and VST FX sound better still suffers. They work fine for Kontakt and Ivory conversions and excell at those tasks.
Even Muse will be going 64bit w/Linux from what a fellow performer has told me.
Now that is a fine DAW as it uses AMD CPU's, but the DAC's are top shelf, and the custom O.S. is exactly what performers need for a crash free gig.
RISC is perfect for audio, but few have the Cahones to go that route.
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Foam anvil case. You need those for all your gear anyway. It will be fine, just don't let any people with drinks near it. I heard of a dishwasher safe computer keyboard.

I just purchased a Western Digital terabyte hard drive for $56 needed for video. I'm making a music video now also need to back up my computer systems and massive sound banks.
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Thank you, Rolo!

I finally got me Reaktor! I wanted to buy it for years, but there was always something else in the way. This will ease the wait for the final release of v.5.

I have only installed it on my laptop, and, since I don't have some keys here, I haven't tried any sort of sound generation, only FX for my Traktor decks :) But I remember demoing Reaktor a long time ago (version 2, I think), and I can't believe how far it's come. It's so simple to use now, especially once you get used to this sort of thing with Scope and ModII, you don't even need to look at the manual to create simple devices and get them working.

IMHO, it's got nothing to do with Scope synths, it's a much more "digital" aesthetic. In a way, Absynth has that sound too, but here you get more possibilities. I usually associate NI with granular sample clouds, or crisp Hi-Def digital tones, and both sure have their place in my home. As does Scope, of course, and many other flavours of synth!

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was tempted one short moment to go FM8, but eventually could resist it...
(with 3 DX hardware boxes...) :D

cheers, Tom
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astroman wrote:was tempted one short moment to go FM8, but eventually could resist it...
(with 3 DX hardware boxes...) :D

cheers, Tom
It was the SY99 for me :D
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I forgot that has re-synthesis. I'm intrigued by that but have never tried it.
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netguyjoel wrote:
astroman wrote:was tempted one short moment to go FM8, but eventually could resist it...
(with 3 DX hardware boxes...) :D

cheers, Tom
It was the SY99 for me :D
well, what would you expect with the Yamaha-green smiley anyway ? :D :D :D
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