Well I certainly appreciate your perspective on it. I personally couldn't give to flaming craps about 64bit or 32 or 192, or whatever. I just want to use 8GB of RAM and not have 5 machines.astroman wrote:
The topic is discussed in a way suggesting exactly THAT - you can't do anything useful without 64bit, the new standard etc bla bla
My only point is THINK about it
what 5 computers will do was only a dream of billionaires when i was just a little younger. you have it better than good. i don't ever want to hear you or anyone else sounding like a spoiled brat again! 
seriously, unless the company just fails(God forbid!), you're gonna get your wish.dehuszar wrote:If you call 32 'very young' then I'll take it. I hope I don't come off as a brat who doesn't know how far things have come. My Dad brought home the IBM 8086 when I was five and have owned a computer that has been powered by just about every major processor out there except AMDs K6. Right now I have a Quad-Core laptop with 6gb of ram running Ubuntu (though I boot into Win7 for games and browser testing), and for the first time in my computing life everything just works smoothly.
I can open as many tabs as I need in firefox, I can use the Compiz 3D windowing extensions, I can keep my dev soft open, burn a dvd, watch a movie/listen to my MP3 library/the radio/Pandora, and do graphical edits all simultaneously. I do web PHP & JQuery based web design and focus on interface design and application flow. In that universe, no one cares what tools you used to build it, or how you went about it, they just want the site to work, make sense, and not require them to struggle with bugs or complexity. They want an environment that allows them to get through their work-day/task/project without having to start and stop, switch enviroments, clean up after themselves to conserve resources, etc. They want to be able to stay in as constant a state of flow as possible. And that's the lens my video folks try to operate. What gets them into a state where the can play with the vision of their project.
So in the realm of audio, I couldn't care less what is misunderstood marketing crap, or technically irrelevant. I don't care whose fault it is (unless it's my own) when the project crashes. If an extra 2gb of ram solves that problem then I'll be on NewEgg in a flat second to pay for that upgrade. From a 'state of flow' perspective, 5 computers still doesn't solve the problem because by definition, it isn't seamless. I have to jump from machine to machine to asswmble the song. Having to manage the project data across machines is tedious work that takes me out of flow. There are 5 times as many thinga that go wrong. For better or worse, the market demands (& I concur) a single working environment where I can have everything I need to stay in flow open in front of me.
And I'm old enough to know that this is a reletively new way to think about process in general, but products that can't meet that criteria are starting to not be able to keep up. Blame the iPhone.
. it's all good, i'm not hatin on ya. as a consumer though, you should know that the stuff is made so that it'll NEVER do what you want it to. there's ALWAYS more to buy. the question is, has Music and Music Production really improved for humans? of course, the answer is "NO!", but a lot of things can be done more cheaply and easier than 30 years ago, so we, being lazy as #$%^, have bought into the merry go round. there's no reason why all these people need to be pretending to be musicians and producers. there's no reason for the programmers to use 4gb of memory for a job that only requires 500meg, but that doesn't sell more stuff every six months, so as i said, 64 bit is coming because the industry has mandated it. it's certainly possible to stream these samples effectively without so much memory, and 32bit systems CAN use more than 4gb of memory, but that's the computer industry is NOT interested in being efficient, they're interested in milking every last dollar from you. Bro,dehuszar wrote:Well I certainly appreciate your perspective on it. I personally couldn't give to flaming craps about 64bit or 32 or 192, or whatever. I just want to use 8GB of RAM and not have 5 machines.
If SonicCore releases 64bit drivers, then I could get an X-CITE and run it off of my laptop in Win7 (or who knows, by the time I can afford the X-CITE I might be able to throw it on a Hackintosh install on said laptop).
I think we've just about beaten this topic to death, especially because SonicCore has already announced that it's coming 'soon'. Just wanted to make sure that the reality that I see day to day is being properly reflected in the conversation.
Cheers Tom!
... but will it be the same as UAD platform in that the driver is 64 bit but the plugins are not?stardust wrote:And the drivers will come soon.
It may be 40 bits as far as the DSP is concerned but insofar as the VST Specification is concerned, which both scope mode and native use, for example the lowest compatible version uses dual 32 bit data paths, so we aren't talking about Soniccore but the rest of the system.stardust wrote:The plugins run anyway on the DSP and are 40bit floating point when it comes to signal processing
garyb wrote:bit depth for processing, communication between programs and for the operating system are three different things entirely.
Is anyone using Windows 2003 Server Enterprise with Scope and sample players like Kontakt, (Play also) and maybe also VEPRO?manybro wrote:
Bro,
You can have 8GB already in Windows 32 bit whatever flavor..
just run windows server....
Most stuff works on it and you will have the full address space for both Scope and Cubase combined.
