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[Ganool]

Hi everyone - after an absence of five years I'm back to the world of Scope. After living five years in a new country, I finally decided to move all my belongings to my new home, including my old music computer. A PC in a ugly black case - which my new Macbook runs circles around. But never mind that - the cool thing is that it worked just as I left it. I booted up the computer, and voila - Scope 4.0 loaded in just fine.
Now while I'm trying to find a useful way to assimilate this huge lump of metal in my new studio - I'd like to ask you to recapitulate.

Scope in the last five years - what have happened?

I know Sonic Core is the new boss on the block and there is something called Scope 5.0. What's that? Important to upgrade or is 4.0 sufficient?

All the best from a boiling Hungary.

/Carl Lofgren

[dawman]

Did you make those awesome presets for Solaris...........?
Personally for the sake of Bowen synths I would stay in 4.1.
But it won't do any harm to mess around with 5.0. Just save 4.1 first since it worked flawlessley for most of us.
I have the XITE-1 and seemed to have lost several 3rd party synths and mixers.
It didn't stop me as I saw the XITE-1 as a new way to use and learn Modular better.
It's a great live instrument and actually has better sounding converters and much faster load times due to the faster speed chips probably.
I see the guys in Scope 4.1 having a huge advantage as they can use SDK 4.0 and access to more plugs that work.
Solaris hardware synth starts production this week, presets on that beast should be fierce.

Anyways if that was you who made the presets, Hats Off 2U.

[Ganool]

Did you make those awesome presets for Solaris...........?

Pretty much the reason why I bother booting up my old computer actually. I miss Solaris a lot! Glad you liked them

[garyb]

5.o is cool, but 4.0 worked fine and except for the new devices, you could probably stay with 4.0. if you run win7, you'll want v5. i did the upgrade and it is an improvement, except for a bug or 2 that have not been a factor in my work, but most of the imrovements are not dramatic and obvious. the new devices are certainly worth the upgrade.

the XITE-1 is out and it's pretty cool, a major bargain just like your old cards. S|C has been in panic mode for some time now, just trying to make enough to satisfy the orders. they finally have a handle on production, something that is difficult for a small company without unlimited funds.

64bit is promised and in beta, but it hasn't been released yet. i would guess that the holdup is that the hardware Solaris is just going into production and that all of the handful of employees at S|Chave to focus on getting it polished and done. i would expect 64bit to follow. it's probable that there would be an OSX version "soon" after that.

[Sounddesigner]

what have happened?[/b]

The XITE-1 hardware for SCOPE is the biggest improvement that has happened, but many others have come in that 5 year time you've not been here such as Flexor 3, Solaris 5 (the plugin), and most recently Modular 4 from S|C. The stock plugins have been greatly improved. Lots of effects from various third-party developers have been released new or updated in 5 year time (DAS is probably the most prolific).

I'm sure they'll be a surprise or two in the near future with 5.1 platform software or after it. Rumour has it there is suppose to be smaller versions of XITE-1 to come, and added functionality to the platform (there is suppose to be a SDK 5 comming and possibly other things). When the whole picture is looked at there has been ALOT added to the platform in the last 5 years, but with this platform it'll probably be never enough cause so many people have different wants and needs. I think most of us want ALOT more to come to this SCOPE Platform, but truthfully for present time music production all i need is already here.


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[Ganool]

Yeah, I sort of don't want to mess around with my old computer when it had the good behaviour of starting on the first attempt!

Just now, I was playing around with Minimax and Solaris and boy if that brought back memories. I'm really looking forward to create new sounds for the (hardware/software) Solaris - no offence, but Solaris was the only thing I really really missed during these years. Oh, of course, there are many other great synths out there - but I remember Solaris being such a joy to make sounds for.

After browsing a few threads, the Flexor stuff seems mighty tasty. Wasn't there a few modules announced years and years ago? Grainmill and Phil? That was back in the CW days I believe. Can't find any info about them - what happened there?

[astroman]

welcome back, Carl...
you cemented your very own star in the synth hall of fame with those presets, never forgotten
Adern doesn't seem to have the time (or ambition) to finish those devices (Assaf made a couple of comments), but released a few others.
Among them a real cool guitar amp simulation by Alfonso... one of the best I've ever heard.
Probably applicable to synths as well - in case you prefer to protect your fingers from those iron wires

cheers, Tom

[dante]

I recently went from 4.0 to 5.0 ( on PCI ) - skipping 4.5. It was a huge jump for me since I got thrown into the bargain the Mix and Master + Synth and Sampler packs so a bunch of new synths and effects which I never had for around $250AUS where just Optimaster or say Profit5 alone would of cost that as a seperate purchase..... Unbeatable value really.

So if you dont already have those packs and have got the right number of DSP then you'll get a bargain. If on the other hand you already had some of that stuff on top of 4.0 it wouldnt be quite as big a deal...

[Ganool]

After using Scope and fine-tuning my old PC for hours I have come to the following conclusions:

1) I remember why I went OS X. I haven't been dealing as much with system configuration as I have done this evening. Reminds me of the good old days and why I'm so happy I'm working in OS X. This is not intended to be the seed of a vs-debate. Just an observation.

2) I remember why I used Scope for such a long time. Damn - it's so damn flexible! Forgot about that. Although the old cards are a bit slow in terms of graphic snappiness - the Scope system is as relevant as it's always been. Wonderful! Just damn wonderful

3) My sounds for Solaris is highly overrated. I feel almost ashamed when I listen to my boyish endavours. A few tricks have been learned since then, and I assure you, if I get things running as I want, I'll be contributing as much as I can with new sounds.

Apart from my plans for world domination, I have an idea to make my old PC the hub of my studio - that's quite an honour in my magical music cave. But as all things PC it's one step forward two step backwards. My biggest problem right now is to make Scope ignore those horrible All notes off (CC #123) that Ableton Live sends out in regular intervals - they totally mess up any settings I've made from my midi controllers.

Seriously - they have to be gone.

The Scope (v4.0) cannot filter out specific CC's - and so far I haven't found anything in Scope that can do that. I found a Tranformer tool by Wolf Audio but the whole bundle went for something like 90 bucks or so - something I cannot pay for right now. What alternatives are there?

[Ganool]

Plogue Bidule - what would I do without you. Problem located and sort of eliminated.

[winger]

All you are you looking for device that could filter out all controller #123's? I think there may be come building blocks in the sdk that would make that possible. I will look into it. (probably take me a week or 2 cause I'm pretty busy).

[dawman]

Bag Of Tricks is what I call BIdule.
I have the Scope 5.0 skin and the match to 4.1 in here.
I like similarity with anything Modular in Nature.

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[Ganool]

winger: thanks, mate. But I succeeded to sort it out at the source by using Bidule.
Xite: yes, Bidule is like a Swiss Army Knife - but with that difference it's working and it's useful!

Apart from the John Bowen stuff - is there any synthesizers that one should look into?

/Carl

[dawman]

XOR by Adern.
The Modulation possibilities are extreme,
Distortion options............supreme.

[siriusbliss]

XOR by Adern.
The Modulation possibilities are extreme,
Distortion options............supreme.

Yes, +1 for Xor and even Atze is a lot of fun.

Greg

[dante]

Paradox by Neutron. This one rocks :

http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=27249

[Ganool]

Thanks a lot you all - Xor appeals to me a lot. Adern have cool ideas, that's for sure. Although Orbitone - Synchrome and Vorb are two of my all-time favourites.

How about the SDK - what was the word on that? Is it free for anyone these days, or is it still a cumbersome task to get your hands on?

/C

[Sounddesigner]

Thanks a lot you all - Xor appeals to me a lot. Adern have cool ideas, that's for sure. Although Orbitone - Synchrome and Vorb are two of my all-time favourites.

How about the SDK - what was the word on that? Is it free for anyone these days, or is it still a cumbersome task to get your hands on?

/C

I think you still have to own a 14dsp SCOPE Professional card in order to get the current SDK. I am curriouse to how the rule will be when the new SDK 5 is released and the rest of the new scope hardware, but i also would'nt expect it to change much either, but who knows?

[Ganool]

I think you still have to own a 14dsp SCOPE Professional card in order to get the current SDK. I am curriouse to how the rule will be when the new SDK 5 is released and the rest of the new scope hardware, but i also would'nt expect it to change much either, but who knows?

That's such a weird policy. Why on earth do they keep it like that? Why would combination of three Pulsar II's be of less professional value?

[garyb]

afaik, the sdk won't run properly on a couple of small cards.