Scope 5.1 bug free when?

[Rebu]

Soon..

Ok since scope 5.0 and 5.1 out users have discover many bugs, in my case i send Soniccore bug that i discover i receive a reply where Sonniccore admit the bug. Now i don't know what other member of this forum think but in my opinion i like have fast fix especially for silly bug that programmer can fix in a second. Good way is like in Reaper forum where users post bugs and programmers fix generally in a week or so. What do you think about this way of work?
Thanks all and sorry for English

P.s. ..soon..i hope

[next to nothing]

I think the reaper model as you describe it would be good.

Also, i don't think that will ever happen at SC.

[garyb]

..not when nobody wants to pay money to S|C for anything. obviously, it's not understood just how much money it costs to have a coder of that caliber working on bugs full time. trust me, it's a LOT.

people obviously don't know what a miracle Scope is, and how good they have it, or that's my opinion, anyway...don't think i don't want everything PERFECT. i do. when Microsoft can't do it, i'm not surprised that no one else can.

someone working strictly on bugs 24/7 would be the best, though!

[bosone]

what bug did you discovered?

[dante]

I find minimal bugs (Modular 4 crashes occassionally), and some minor feature loss between versions. For example, the STM mixer lost a couple of metering modes going from Scope PCI 5.0 to Scope XITE 5.1.

But I dont really have any showstoppers that cant be worked around.

The aim of all software development should be to eliminate any bug possible, but I'd rather have Scope with a few minor bugs than see it disappear because the money was all spent on debugging rather than survival.

I vote for leaving S|C to decide. No-one knows the inside story except them.

In the mean time, lets just knowledgebase all the common issues and workarounds so we can get the most out of our Scope platforms ...

http://www.hitfoundry.com/issue_11/tsg_mast.htm

[astroman]

... in my opinion i like have fast fix especially for silly bug that programmer can fix in a second. ...

I don't think any such thing exists inside Scope - it's way more complex than Reaper
If you consider Reaper a piece of code that does audio processing, then Scope would be equivalent to the C-Compliler that was used to build Reaper.
You don't have any direct interaction - it's all abstract and lots of items are reffered to in many different locations.
As Gary mentioned such folks in Germany are a 6 figure amount per year.

cheers, Tom

[Warp69]

I do have a showstopper - none working wave drivers in Win 7 64bit. I have not been able to use my Xite-1 for 2 months now. It's very unfortunately - If I can't develop, anyone interested?

[Sounddesigner]

I do have a showstopper - none working wave drivers in Win 7 64bit. I have not been able to use my Xite-1 for 2 months now. It's very unfortunately - If I can't develop, anyone interested?

I've been interested and definitely looking forward to trying your next SCOPE reverbs/Modulator/etc. I know SCOPE due to nature is a slow developing system with a small company i.e. S|C, i only hope S|C can figure out a way to speed things up a bit for their own sake and all of our benifit. The slowness of development hurts some of us hearts especially those of us who know this Platform is special and SCOPE will need faster pace development to reach full potential and possibly even to survive as time passes. I try to keep faith that S|C will get things better together and sped up at some point partly because i think SCOPE is such a great platform that it demmands to eventually be developed faster and demmands to be kept alive (It is a true Phoenix and has no problem with rising from ashes), 13 years has shown that much.

Your chorus-delay for SCOPE still is tops and your SCOPE reverbs still compete, we just need the next generation from you and others. Hopefully S|C delivers 'soon'.


EDITED

[dante]

Well I'm off to buy another plug from S|C shop - thats one way to help.

[Warp69]

I think the situation is more complex than that

[garyb]

no, it isn't.

money=life
sad, but true.
there are no bugfixes if the programmers don't get paid.

if the money is there, the work will get done. that's a fact.
it may take longer than it appears that it should, but work is being done.

[Warp69]

That sounds great, then SC could answer most of my questions in the support inbox for the last year - only one is related to developing time (money) and that's the wave driver bug.

Looking forward to hear from them.

[Rebu]

what bug did you discovered?

http://forums.planetz.com/viewtopic.php ... 28#p269928

Ok it's a silly bug but a bug is a bug. There are some that are very relevant like: 5.0 work with Wavelab and 5.1 not! or other like Warp 69 have descrive above and many others.
I'm old user and happy with my scope platform and i hope this comunity grow but during this years i see too much post about poor support and i think many costumers are gone for that. I like receive Soniccore e-mail with news about ConvolveQ but if e-mail is concerning new 5.x version i more happy at this moment..if many costumers post bugs i think this costumers hope this bugs are deleted.

[Rebu]

no, it isn't.

money=life
sad, but true.
there are no bugfixes if the programmers don't get paid.

if the money is there, the work will get done. that's a fact.
it may take longer than it appears that it should, but work is being done.

Money arrive if costumers are happy of product..

[next to nothing]

I see thomann doesn't sell them anymore either, are the xites only available (if at all) directly from SC now?

[jksuperstar]

Unfortunatley, if S|C appears non-responsive, then people will put their complaints here. And when new users search for info about XITE or other stuff, they will end up here reading about complaints, and think twice about investing in the platform. And in this day & age of information, more transparency can be very good for smaller companies. It makes new customers see that development is going on. Secrecy may work for Apple, but not the little guys these days.

[Fluxpod]

Its good to see they learned from Past Mistakes............................

[erminardi]

I'm waiting for a stable 5.1 Scope os WITH XTC mode (or other name) that works!
I cant' spend for jumping from 5.0 to 5.1 if my 5.0 XTC works (a little... we know the automation issue) and 5.1 absolutely not...
that's for me a paid downgrade!!!

[garyb]

just how many people do you think are involved?

what the hell is the small crew supposed to do? hold hands instead of working?

xtc mode 64bit? good luck! the problem is the messed up 64bit environment, not v5.1. when all the software agrees with each other, xtc mode is much easier. the wave driver issue in 64bit is much more serious. somehow it got broken. that fix is in process, along with all the other myriad requests and the work that actually makes money, something the company can't live without. to say that the system doesn't work, or that it's useless is bull, however.

hey, there are plenty of m-boxes for those who like consumer gear. otherwise, spend ten times the money and get the bugs that exist in a HD dsp system instead.

hey, maybe i can come over and wipe some butts, so that the feeling of service and luxury won't be missed by such noble persons. personally, i prefer my Scope stuff. i also don't mind being an engineer. they're the people that run studios. i've got no time for monkeys with toys who just want the machine to do everything while they sit back and marvel.

i'm tired of prima donnas who think that because they gave Creamware money years ago, that S|C should develope for them personally, and for free. these are the people that always complain the loudest, present company excluded, of course. i'm fully aware of the history and efforts of several of the posters in this thread. i'm just getting cranky too...

[erminardi]

I'm with CW/S|C since 2001 and I have never gone away from them, even during the 2 past financial crisis.
And I'm sure I'll use Scope for a long long time (at least until there is technically possible).
So I don't think that I am a "primadonna".
But my side-job is to make music, not support a (good) group of programmers/engineers.
I don't have money to buy something that (in my case, 32 bit) works less than before, even though I know it will bring money to the development.
So I can't use the new hardware!!!
And I don't need currently some new DSP-synth or DSP-efx.
As sure as I am not an S|C associate partner nor a S|C salesman nor marketing manager (for sure I will be better than this!).
So I ask to S|C only be a good company (so-so), with a good project (yess!) and best marketing possible (I wish..) for their business.
I personally think that a good product, complete and mature, sells itself (with a little clever support by marketing and better communication), with great pride, without begging from customers.
So, S|C, hurry up: BEFORE you invest all time for make Scope better, and THEN you obtain the right wage.
I'm here!
I'm waiting for!

I firmly believe in the strategy of total implementation of the VST in the system for a step up of S|C in the global market, it's undoubtedly a standard!

my 2 cents