Alternate loop

John Henric · Post by **John Henric** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 7:26 pm

..Is a very musical, intuitive and generally brilliant loop mode that seems to have vanished from samplers of later years. For those who've never heard of it, an alternating loop plays forward, then backwards, as opposed to the standard forwards only. It does'nt require the cumbersome searching for loop points or any destructive editing of a sample. Roland, Emu(III) and Ensoniq samplers have featured it in the past. The only drawback as far as I know is that it requires a bit more processing power than forwards-only looping.

Personally I have no problem with that. I'll gladly trade a few voices for the creative aspects, the boring work it saves and the quality of results this mode offers. I'd definitely welcome a per zone/sample switch for this.

Edit: In the sts samplers, that is..

[ This Message was edited by: John Henric on 2002-07-17 21:25 ]

algorhythm · Post by **algorhythm** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 8:00 pm

check out phatmatik pro - http://www.bitshiftaudio.com - it does forward-backwards OR backwards-forwards - I use it religously now

- check my latest track in the music area for a sampling of that beast.

now what i REALLY want is CC# controllable loop start/end points

mr swim · Post by **mr swim** » Thu Jul 18, 2002 6:32 am

algorhythm, that would be so cool, as would forward-backwards sampling. I had never heard of such a thing before, but come on creamware - be better than the rest !

Incidentally, is there such a things as a programmable delay that can play forwards or backwards and in rhythms ? For Sfp ?

John Henric · Post by **John Henric** » Fri Aug 02, 2002 4:44 pm

I just found out.. NI Kontakt does it but I have'nt tried it yet.

Edit: I goofed around with it the other day and unfortunately it seems NI yet have a few lessons to complete in the wave driving school. Kontakt is a brilliant smapler but the alternate loop does not make a clean turn, it clicks when the loop reverses. Careful editing brings it down though, but it's still there. As long as the sample is clean and not too exposed or effected in the mix I think it's useful. I hope they'll solve the click in an update. Gah, where have I heard this before..

[ This Message was edited by: John Henric on 2002-08-07 10:34 ]

Post by **hubird** » Wed Aug 07, 2002 9:11 pm

On 2002-07-17 21:00, algorhythm wrote:
check out phatmatik pro - http://www.bitshiftaudio.com

I checked out and wauw that's something, Algoridm.
So you're using it already, how easy is it in practice?
Gonne check you're upload now.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Aug 08, 2002 12:07 am

The Akai S5000 does fwd/bckwd and all you want, but it has no realtime control for it. Solution might be to use different programs w same sample? How about the STS-5k?

John Henric · Post by **John Henric** » Fri Aug 09, 2002 4:14 pm

Hey atomic.. Thanks for the info. Do you know if the sts5000 can do this? I downloaded the manual to sts4000 some months ago, but now the links on the manuals page at creamware point to nowhere..?

CreepJoint · Post by **CreepJoint** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 8:41 am

Hey, sts samplers cant do alternate looping forward and backwards. I didnt know samplers could do this, pretty cool. Anyway a rough and ready way to do it with an sts would be to paste a reversed version to the end of the original Havent tried it myself.

John Henric · Post by **John Henric** » Tue Aug 13, 2002 12:46 pm

Yes, and I've tried it a couple of times in soundforge. I must be missing something, or at least I hope I do

because anyway I do it, the reverse point is obvious, there's always a little snap, crackle or pop. Try it yourself -> copy, paste to new, reverse, switch to the original window, select all and then do a mix 'at end of selection'. Result: Zswaaaoouuu-ktick-uuuooaa.. The edit looks fine in the waveform window however. Any digi guru who knows what's going on? I'm puzzled, as 1. It's a piece of cake for some museal hardware samplers 2. Theoretically it's a simple (and elegant) thing.

Que?

I'm glad to see there's some interest for this. To the sampler newbies: this *is* really cool. You can get so many weird and wonderful sounds out of 'impossible' material. If you come across an old roland sampler (s-550/330, w-30) or an ensoniq eps model, try it out. itouttuottiitouttuo...

[ This Message was edited by: John Henric on 2002-08-13 13:50 ]