Relab is playing referral games

[valis]

If you care to play the chain email game, here's a starting point. Anyone downstream gets 25% off for you and so on, infinite recession of 25% off might be worth if for the few of you who didn't already own and get the email. No idea if I even need to buy but thought I'd pass it on in case anyone's been fence sitting on their stuff:

https://relab-development.referral-factory.com/ux6JDDW6

[Sounddesigner]

No idea if I even need to buy but thought I'd pass it on in case anyone's been fence sitting on their stuff:

https://relab-development.referral-factory.com/ux6JDDW6

I suspect most who demo their reverbs will find they need them. Have you tried Relab's reverbs? Warp69 is THE BEST REVERB DEVELOPER out there right now. I'd even give him the edge over TC Electronic and that's saying something. He has reached Juggernaut status recently.

I won't participate in this game as i own most of what i want from Relab already and there's only 1 more plugin for me to get from them and when i do i'll get a loyalty discount. REV6000 and QuantX are killers and truly hardware quality and high-end!

[valis]

Yes, I respect his work, I’m not buying much at the moment and figured anybody who wanted those tools probably already knew about it, but I’m still willing to help him out

[astroman]

I‘m also extremely happy with Relab‘s QuantX, atm sitting on the fence for REV6000.
Have tried an early beta, but budget is really tight.
(considering I actually have quite an amount of reverbs... but of course you can never have enough)
I wish Warp69 success, whatever campaign it takes.

[valis]

I do hope it's clear I wasn't saying games in some negative sense, if it wasn't let this stand to indicate so.

[Sounddesigner]

The referrel program of Relab looks like a good idea. It's not my style so i won't personally participate but i also know that in this tuff Economy developers have to get clever and do what they can to sell plugins. Not just the tuff Economy but also the niche nature of the Audio Industry forces developers to get creative to generate sales. UAD, Waves, IKM, etc all sell plugins at rock bottom prices at times. Unfortunately there is a race to the bottom, it does benifit consumers however as it is a Buyer's Market.

A Relab Representative gave good reasons for this referral program. He stated that about 20% of the money from each plugin sold goes twards Advertisement and instead of paying a Ad Platform and Youtube-Influencers it's better to pass on savings to customers and let customers Advertise. This Referral program and Loyalty discounts are their way of getting their customers cheaper prices and letting the customers spread the word. These are tuff financial times so cheaper pricing for the customers make sense thus his reasoning was sound to me.

Reverbs are the most important Audio Effect/Processor to me as they add the space and overall Enviroment to sounds in a Mix, and some sort of Enviroment is natural to life. Engineers of Old understood this that's why they heavily used Reverbs in the 1980's and other decades. Warp69 is now the greatest at what is arguably the most important Effect IMO. He was a SCOPE Developer that's now on top in the Native world wich is impressive and amazing and a small testimony to the matrix nature of the SCOPE Platform. I wish him and Relab well and they certainly have my support. After hearing their latest products i'm a believer! Greatness is there!

[Sounddesigner]

Relab seems to be on a roll! They're releasing some truly amazing plugins. They are about to release the Maselec Multiband Mastering compressor wich sounds VERY transparent and smooth. Relab certainly is one of the best out there if not THE BEST, IMO.



Even some of Warp69 older plugins that he gave to SCOPE i.e. Chorus-Delay and the free Ursa Major SpaceStation still sound really good and amongs the better SCOPE plugins. But now Relab are amongs the very few bringing truly high-end and possibly ultra-high-end ITB, helping computer-music reach new heights. Relab at the moment seem to have a focus similar to TC Electronic with Reverbs and Mastering plugins and are branching out. Those are my favorite type plugins along with Voice synths like Granular Effects and Vocoders, but reverbs are tops to me when it comes to effects, and Warp69 seem to be a Juggernaut right out of old-world mythology at most of these things.

I hope SonicCore reach out to Relab to create something for SCOPE as Warp69/Martin Lind is both brilliant and knows the SCOPE platform like few others.

[astroman]

By end of last year I eventually bought Relab‘s REV6000 (some early access and loyality discounts applied).
The current Maselec isn‘t my cup of tea at all, as I never do multiband anyway.
(but it‘s surely a great device)

I don‘t expect Warp69 to return to the Scope platform in it‘s current state.
He clearly expressed years ago what he‘s missing (no custom DSP code) and what he dislikes (non protectable IP in Scope SDK).
In the early days of Scope the very same complaint (about SDK) came from Quantec.

It is what it is, so to say...

[valis]

Both reasons Warp gave are also why Adern was no longer a suitable path for me, many years ago.

However the platform itself is still very useful, if not something that is easily monetizable. It's challenging for a dev to dump a lot of effort into a platform and not project that onto the platform itself as a result. So I understand Warp's choice (and Assaf's etc).

Note we might be about to resurrect bug lists and Scope 8 threads, more on this soon.

[Sounddesigner]

By end of last year I eventually bought Relab‘s REV6000 (some early access and loyality discounts applied).
The current Maselec isn‘t my cup of tea at all, as I never do multiband anyway.
(but it‘s surely a great device)

I don‘t expect Warp69 to return to the Scope platform in it‘s current state.
He clearly expressed years ago what he‘s missing (no custom DSP code) and what he dislikes (non protectable IP in Scope SDK).
In the early days of Scope the very same complaint (about SDK) came from Quantec.

It is what it is, so to say...

I knew about Quantecs power complaint as the old dsp's were underpowered for their needs, but i was not aware of the other complaints you mentioned. It's a shame cause if they could've figured out how to make it work both Quantec and Creamware would've rode each other to glory. It certainly would've made SCOPE more competitive.

I know when SSL was transitioning duende from dsp to Native they first created a hybrid solution were they ran the algorithms on the computer but used the dsp's for copy-protection. Creamware should've allowed for this and it might have solved most or all complaints. The STS Samplers are hybrid in that they use both dsp and Native.

Quantec eventually came ITB and i'm sure Apple buying their IP source code made them some decent money. Logic has a direct port of the original algorithms of Quantec reverbs, and i doubt Quantec would've sold their livelihood without it being a huge amount of money involved, wich only Apple could afford as their bank account knows no limit. Whatever the price was it's peanuts to Apple.

Not getting Quantec was a HUGE loss IMO, but still there was many developers like Celmo, Spacef, dNa, etc that made great plugins within the limitations of SCOPE, including some by Warp69. Hopefully some of SCOPE's limitations will get addressed soon as Holger stated he has help now with SCOPE. I love it when developers can get creative and still create high-quality stuff within limitations like many SCOPE developers i mentioned, but i know that it's also true that seriouse limitations need to be addressed, hopefully some will be. Holger has hinted that SCOPE is'nt dead yet and there's atleast one more dance in him, and now he has help. "The rumours of SCOPE's demise have been greatly exaggerated" !

The beauty of the Maselec MLA-4 Triband compressor is that it can be used like a Single-band/Wide-band compressor and there's no artifacts from the multiband crossover points. This compressor is insanely clean. I'm a big fan of TC Electronic MD4, but i must say Relab's Maselec is cleaner and superior, tho MD4 still has a character i like. I did not know Relab had the capability of making a compressor of this caliber, i've fallen in love with it. I'll be using it mostly as Wideband myself. This comp certainly is a first option/main-go-to to me along with Unisum when it comes to compressors, it's a eye opening masterpiece.

[astroman]

You may have a point on the Maselec used single band...
and I just received some more details triggering curiosity (ok, that‘s ad anyway) via mail.
The 7-day-free-trial will clear this up, if my ears are up to that challenge (hopefully)

ps: I didn‘t know about Apple acquiring Quantec‘s reverb IP

[Sounddesigner]

To use Maselec as a Single-Band Relab created a short-cut. Just hold down the Shift key and then turn any Threshold and they all will turn simultaneously. The same is true with Attack, Ratio, Release, etc just hold down Shift and turn one and they all will turn and share the same Values. Also turn the Sidechain parameter to Linked.

I wish there was only a button to press to link all parameter controls but the Shift key while not as convenient still works. If each Threshold is on a different Value setting then the rest before you hold down Shift to adjust all, just double click any parameter and it goes to default setting.

I'm not the biggest fan of Multiband compressors either, they're a rare use type processor to me and i overwhelmingly prefer single-band.