Modern art - or is the joke on us ?

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:04 am

This is a serious work of modern art entitled: "Self-portrait with Chickens". Really. This is the work of a professional artist with many exhibitions to her credit. But I just had to laugh and post it here - pure garbage.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:24 am

Absolutely disgusting! The seek of the strange for the seek of being special... how ordinary in fact!!!

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:24 am

Absolutely disgusting! The seek of the strange for the seek of being special... how ordinary in fact!!!

Post by **garyb** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 2:11 am

ah yes!modern life........

samplaire · Post by **samplaire** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 2:54 am

Hmm... I once had an opportunity to watch to special (?) Nine Inch Nails videos - one featuring a guy in a diver uniform connected with a pipe directly to a full toilet. Then the uniform fills with the toilet contents and .... The second video is a story about a businessman coming into a large hall with a mirror; then he undresses, lies on a strange bed; then a machinery starts to play with his balls and penis then starts to pull his skin then a drill appears and dives into his stomach and finally a door covers the man and squizes his flash and bones under the 'bed'. AWFUL!!!!!!! And it all looked not like a budget production but had that professional look... :-/

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:14 am

"Tous les goûts sont dans la nature mais, dans la nature, il y en a qui n'ont pas de goût"

Translation:

All tastes are in nature but in nature some have no taste.

Personally,.. *Yuck*

Paul

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:39 am

I'm an old-fashioned git when it comes to art. This I like:

Post by **garyb** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 11:35 am

yeah,well that's quite silly as well.(i find both silly)

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:22 pm

I think my problem is that I still read the Brothers Grimm.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 12:30 pm

They have printed/edited some nice stories (and some cruel ones too - by average modern tast).

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:07 pm

I frequently enjoyed Bro Grimm's cartoons on TV for lazy sunday afternoons

From time to time it comes over me and I still play the mp3 version of the title song

But regarding the chick above...
my first thought was 'ridiculous, stupid babe...'
She's not, not at all.
I really know, because here in my neighbourhood there's one of the largest chicken farms in Germany and a friend once designed a data processing system for that factory...
I spare you the details of the highly automated feeding and killing machine, but it exists only because some fat assed idiots can't get their bellies full enough for bargain. So, who's really to blame ?
Btw the software dude admitted that the 'view to a kill' when they rush a 100 chicken/min from electro kill to unfeathering is so absurd, that you can't but laugh.

hhhmmps, Tom

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 7:53 pm

I once knew a chicken farmer's son who's only boast was that he could carry 12 chickens by the neck in each hand....

borg · Post by **borg** » Fri May 02, 2003 4:14 am

what does the artist have to say about this picture? who is the artist? the problem with (modern) art is that you need to read about it to understand (most of the time).
if you just look at modern art without knowing the ideas behind the work, 95% of it is crap. if you know the meaning, 80% is crap

ReD_MuZe · Post by **ReD_MuZe** » Fri May 02, 2003 5:48 am

the way i see it, is that 80% of all art is crap. it doesnt matter if its modern or not.

the only diference between the modern and old-age art is that modern art has more art documented, so you are exposed to more crap.

but as a classical cellist, who has been into the baroque scene, i can say that baroque, andreinesance had the same ratio between sucky music and good music as there is today...

remember, trance and alot of electronic music, in order to be understood, need the experience of the scene. most people who are not in the trance scene think trance is crap, yet this is mostly becouse they dont understand trance, just as some of you dont understand the modern-art concept.

there are amaizing works of modern art out there, and focusing on the suky ones, is not proving the point.

when i was a kit and we went to museums, we used to look on modern art scribbles, and tell the muzeum guide "i can scribble just as good as the artist above" the best answer i got was "copying scribbles is easy. its making them up , and getting them to the museum thats hard, and what makes them works of art and not just scribbles"

and come to think of it, presenting crap in a well respected museum, is a real artistic statement aout the museum!

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Fri May 02, 2003 7:33 am

duchamp. that's my man in terms of modern art. Whatever it is, he had a great sense of humor. putting a toilet bowl infront of a museum as a presentation etc, etc.

Post by **hubird** » Sat May 03, 2003 7:04 am

yes, I like modern art too, it can be so inspiring to see how free peoples mind can be!
mmm, Duchamp...

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sat May 03, 2003 8:55 am

Spirit:

I think this art got a reaction out of you and spawned this dialog so it served it a useful purpose. Not all art is beautiful. I am happy to see people upset by pixels.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Sat May 03, 2003 9:42 am

I knew you'd have an opinion Braincell

!

You're right, it has provoked debate here, but is that the measure of art, to merely gain a reaction ?

A year or two ago there was small controvery In Australia about the "Piss Jesus" picture which basically seemed to be a picture Jesus sunk in urine.

Now to me that's not art, it belongs in some other category - maybe "cultural display" or some such nonense term. And since it was so obviously contrived to be merely controversial, what is it's value ?

I can be controversial by running naked through a supermarket, but that doesn't mean it's art (unless I was a famous artist

). It's closer to simple stupidity or anti-social behaviour, or just completely irrelevant.

I realise there are no boundaries here, but then you can't get much more subjective than art.

EDIT: Now this you need to read: "Modern art used to torture prisoners"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2698177.stm

I also like this:

(painted by an elephant)

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Post by **hubird** » Sun May 04, 2003 7:26 am

Years ago I did a sound design job for a sound project of a female modern artist.
She was satisfied with the result, and, poor as she was, she offered me to choose one of her paintings as a payment.
I pointed to a abstact painted canvas without a frame, which I really liked.
It turned out to be just a canvas to protect the ground when she was intensely painting another canvas...
I still have it on my wall and I still like it!
But she was very insulted, and we never spoke again, hehe

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Let There Be Music!

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Sun May 04, 2003 2:57 pm

needless to ask she didn't sign it, did she ?
Same problem with the elephant's work above, it will never get the attention it deserves due to the missing signature - too sad

cheers, Tom

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