Who cares about Noah?

menno · Post by **menno** » Sun Jun 08, 2003 6:50 pm

My main wish would be to be able to load a normal SPF project into Noah to allow me to "take it on the road".

Without that ability I cant see myself ever buying Noah.

aMo · Post by **aMo** » Mon Jun 09, 2003 5:27 am

Noah MIGHT be interesting for me, that is if it can load Modular patches (I'm expecting that a preset for a SFP device is the same as noah?).
I'm confident it will, with the remote control thing in Mod3 you could easily assign module knobs to Noah knobs (I even think that was why they made that in the 1st place)...

But it won't be very interesting as long as I don't have a 15 DSP Scope card, which is next on my list

spacef · Post by **spacef** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 2:46 pm

I managed to get a few screeshots of a Noah Ex recently, i thought i could post a link. I didn't test it fully but it's quite nice to run sfp devices without the remote sofware (when you know the manual)...

http://www.spacef.com/noahpics.htm

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aMo · Post by **aMo** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:06 pm

Looks good

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 3:36 pm

It realy does look good. Now let the world know it, so everybody will go buy a Noah and put Creamware back in the blacks (for those, who do not know what it means: CWs financial numbers are now red (-) black is good (+).

aMo · Post by **aMo** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 4:03 pm

Hey.. I just had a thought about Noah..

Well, could it be that this was thought (by CW) to be the beginning of the end of the SFP platform?
That they wan't to gradually moove away from pci-soundcards and pc's/mac's?
It would make sence, because they have the technology to be big, but there are many who have problems with their OS and computer hardware (problems configuring to work with SFP w/hardware that is), and mooving the whole SFP os into an external box, run by their own Sharc DSP's would solve all IRQ problems and software settings...

.. hmm..

spacef · Post by **spacef** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 5:02 pm

i do not know, but just for noah, i think it's more a stage instrument, close to an expander for dsp synths, with the bonus of the remote software. it's not a studio like sfp, it's simpler and it can be "attached" to sfp (adat/midi..). One point is that you don't have to manage polyphony, and i think quite a lot is available (i didn't even think about polyphony while i played the keyboard (with the hands and the fingers, not with fruity loops

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 5:23 pm

Those grabs look great. i really would like a keyboard version of this with a ribbon controller and maybe X-Y controls too, that would be cool for Vectron/Vectron Player. Also a Firewire port would be a great way to plug it into the computer. Maybe just dreams now depending on how good the rack sells. i'd like that step sequencer and arpeggiator for SFP too.

mythalethe · Post by **mythalethe** » Wed Jun 11, 2003 6:09 pm

Wow! thanks for the pix, SpaceF.

Hmm, on second thought, I probably could "get By" live with a minimax, a prophet, and lightwave... (I hope they transfer the Prisma over soon, I love it for crazy aftertouchy drones...)

Let's all hope NOAH saves CW's bacon and takes the SFP DSP concept to a new level...
I may yet have to start saving some bucks!

-Mythalethe

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 8:39 am

On 2003-06-11 19:09, mythalethe wrote:
(...)

Let's all hope NOAH saves CW's bacon and takes the SFP DSP concept to a new level...
I may yet have to start saving some bucks!

-Mythalethe

Yes, it's a hope...

On 2003-06-11, Amo wrote:

Hey.. I just had a thought about Noah..

Well, could it be that this was thought (by CW) to be the beginning of the end of the SFP platform?
That they wan't to gradually moove away from pci-soundcards and pc's/mac's?
It would make sence, because they have the technology to be big, but there are many who have problems with their OS and computer hardware (problems configuring to work with SFP w/hardware that is), and mooving the whole SFP os into an external box, run by their own Sharc DSP's would solve all IRQ problems and software settings...

.. hmm..

It's a question I have in my head: does Creamware wants to go on with the cards, or do they want to stop with it?

I'm not really secured on this subject: see what happens to the product that has landed Creamware: TripleDAT. At its beginning TripleDAT was a fabulous product, and now it is completely outdated and abandonned by Creamware...Users cry, but nothing...

Creamware has to do something to maintain the users trust...The past doesn't speak well for them.

Post by **garyb** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:21 pm

please!tdat is an ISA card.pulsar is good until pci is no longer used.then something else..............NOTHING in the computer world has been cutting edge as long as scope/pulsar/luna.the history bodes well.

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:38 pm

Sorry, Garyb, TripleDAT isn't only an ISA card, it's also an audio soft sold at the CW webshop that can run with our CW cards.

This soft was at the edge at its beginning, taking places with the pros. Now it is useless for anything else than radio mixes (coz it runs only at 16 bit in 2003!)

My thought is that the competition with native audiosofts and plugins is so strong that CW could be tempted to leave this market segment...It's just my individual thought

spacef · Post by **spacef** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 1:29 pm

so samplitude is not that good after all ?

. Moreover I don't think Creamware is in serious trouble just because of a legal annoucement so...

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astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Jun 12, 2003 4:04 pm

Grok, TripleDat isn't totally useless just because of that bit restriction. The limited number of tracks might be of even more significance today.
But together with a Pulsar on a dedicated system it's still an extremely good 16-track harddisk recorder with complete integration of SFP mixer, synths and effects. It forces you to work a little more precise because you haven't the headroom of a 24-bit system, but that's also a chance to improve your skills

As long as most audio CDs are still 16 bit recordings played back on 12 bit converters in consumer equipment there's no need to worry. In fact I've returned several 'remastered' recordings from the 70s/80s due to annoying transparency and lifeless mixdowns and stay with vinyl instead.

Nevertheless you're right that it doesn't make sense to fiddle with the old program code.
Probably they'll use some of the ergonomic features of Triple and mix them with VDAT's recording, once there are more resources free after the NOAH thing gets established.
Imho a new recording app wouldn't win too much additional customers currently with all that competition out, so it must stand back.
But I'm confident they won't let the idea down completely.

cheers, Tom

WhiteSun · Post by **WhiteSun** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 4:17 am

http://www.creamware.de/en/Products/Reviews/noah_kb.asp

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:07 am

On 2003-06-12 14:29, spacef wrote:
so samplitude is not that good after all ? .
(...)

You're kidding?

Grok · Post by **Grok** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 8:27 am

On 2003-06-12 17:04, astroman wrote:
Grok, TripleDat isn't totally useless just because of that bit restriction. The limited number of tracks might be of even more significance today.
But together with a Pulsar on a dedicated system it's still an extremely good 16-track harddisk recorder with complete integration of SFP mixer, synths and effects. It forces you to work a little more precise because you haven't the headroom of a 24-bit system, but that's also a chance to improve your skills
(...)

I do 32bit float files mixing. I think it's the best way to improve my skills and my ears

As a general consideration, 16 bit files mixing gives dull mixes. There are some artistic exceptions but they're only that: exceptions.

As long as most audio CDs are still 16 bit recordings played back on 12 bit converters in consumer equipment there's no need to worry.

This consideration is false. Mixing high resolution audio files gives a better final 16bit/44.1kHz CD with more sonic details.

So a pro making a record with only TripleDAT has really to worry today, because with this soft he can't compete.

(...)
Probably they'll use some of the ergonomic features of Triple and mix them with VDAT's recording, once there are more resources free after the NOAH thing gets established.

The commercial strategy of CW seems a little bit obscure on this point...Why they hasn't allready do that?...

Imho a new recording app wouldn't win too much additional customers currently with all that competition out, so it must stand back.
But I'm confident they won't let the idea down completely.

cheers, Tom

What happens is that TripleDAT users have actually no choice but to buy another mixing app if they want modern features. It's good to have additional customers, it's also good to keep ancient customers...

Regards,
Grok

doodyrh · Post by **doodyrh** » Fri Jun 13, 2003 11:42 am

On 2003-06-03 07:23, spoimala wrote:
IMHO CreamWare is crazy if it makes developing for SFP and NOAH way too different. Being a programmer myself, I know it is a curse to keep two similar but somewhat different systems up to date.

Don't forget XTC. That makes three.
If it's just a matter of running them through a different compiler then fine, but I suspect there's more to it.

It's partly why I think plugins should be categorised so you know what you're getting. Right now it's even pot luck whether you get new or old presets.

inDSP Frank · Post by **inDSP Frank** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:29 pm

Just so you know, folks: we surely don't intend to drop PCI cards.

PCI is only for computer/producer people, while Noah is also designed for the "don't bother me with computers" live musician. Why we did it? It expands our market.

Do we consider "native" a business? No. It is a bad business to be in. Piracy kills. The only reason native is everywhere is because it's "free". We will continue on providing dedicated systems that are better than anything you get from warez sites.

Cheers, Frank

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Sat Jun 14, 2003 12:39 pm

On 2003-06-14 13:29, CW Frank wrote:
Just so you know, folks: we surely don't intend to drop PCI cards. ...

Thanks a lot. This is very valueable information. I believe you are gaining points among lots of us with your openness. Assurance about the future of the platform is a very positive thing - not least in these times. Too bad, the official forum is frequently flooded with "doom day reachers", "haters" and "whiners". I understand very well, why you post this here and not there.