Repeat of a classic line pre: Iraq war........probably offen

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 8:43 am

You know the world has gone crazy when:

The world's best golfer is a black guy,

The world's best rapper is a white guy,

The German's don't want a war,

And the French accuse the US of arrogance...

Post by **hubird** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 9:13 pm

and an American guy who had cancer before wins the Tour the France 5 times on a row...

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Tue Sep 23, 2003 11:15 pm

Beautiful........

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 3:21 am

...crazy when:

England beat Australia at Rugby on their home turf?

Royston

borg · Post by **borg** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 10:53 am

yesterday i watched the movie/documentary "bowling for columbine" (michael moore). if only half of it is true...
i had tears in my eyes several times during the film (sure, although quite critical, it was still a typical american show, hehe).
as a lot of people still see the 'american life' as an ideal and incorporate some its values into their culture/life, i don't really see a bright future...
if i look at the news correspondent in washington for the national tv station here... you can see her get more and more like these typical american reporters... melodrama wins over criticism.
my apologies if one of our american members feels offended...
http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:01 am

My advice: Read the books of Michael Moore, there are the ressources mentioned, so you´d probably believe his statements a lot more.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:23 am

I tried to watch this movie but I just stopped it after 20 minutes. Not that I don't see any lessons to be learned there, but to focus like the guy (moore) does on a couple of insane freakish individuals and events leaves the impression that it represents the american culture. It does not, at least not to the degree suggested in the part that I saw.

Post by **garyb** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:27 am

if you don't think that it's america(especially the part where charlton heston sez american violence is caused by too much race mixing),then come over here and i'll shoot ya to prove it.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 11:59 am

I see... Sad indeed... I'll send lots of Love there.

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 12:22 pm

I saw his movie, and also some other documentatry he did.

I tought it was pretty representative of the trend i felt when i went there. Maybe not representative of the 'culture' itself, but at least of a strong trend.

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Wed Sep 24, 2003 1:06 pm

My point is: I don't want this hammered in my brain, representative or not. I know there is very heavy stuff going on but I won't allow my attention to revolve on it. If I did I'd be too disturbed to be able to do my part to change it!

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Thu Sep 25, 2003 10:20 pm

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dehuszar · Post by **dehuszar** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 5:57 pm

If yall like Micheal Moore's message but not his work, (speaking as someone who loves Micheal Moore but understands that some find him grating) he gets most of his material from Greg Palast, whom the brits had borrowed for a couple of years. He's the guy who broke the Enron and presidential auction (Florida voting fraud) stories.

He's got lots of hard facts and is more info than entertainment. He's still funny, but it's more of a bitter, jaded, one-side-of-the-mouth-smiling, w/teeth clenched kind of funny.

Worth checking out.

Sam

p.s. the best rapper is most certainly not a white guy. Unless you take 'best' to mean 'most heavily promoted by corporations as he sends out the RIGHT KIND of wrong messages.'

If corporations had any interest in the messages behind REAL hiphop and rap, they would be promoting healthcare, more teachers, more complete welfare/job-training/job-assistance, and the like. But that would wipe out their access to cheap labor and that's what they want. So whatever messages oppress or at least numb in a way that they can get away with is what they will promote so long as it will be accepted by the lowest common denominator.

If you look at the history of jazz, the major record labels of the time sort of avoided jazz until there were more Dave Brubeck's and "upstanding white acts" that masses of jazz enthusiasts would still accept.

p.p.s. I really like Dave Brubeck, but I wouldn't call him the best jazz composer, even if something like that could be quantified.

Food for thunk.

emzee · Post by **emzee** » Fri Sep 26, 2003 9:13 pm

Well said......think or thwim.......

Zer · Post by **Zer** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 11:56 am

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 1:50 pm

On 2003-09-29 12:56, Zer wrote:

Maybe Clinton had a better idea on how to deal with this guy....

Post by **hubird** » Mon Sep 29, 2003 5:07 pm

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alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Sat Oct 04, 2003 4:57 am