Hi there.
I'am pulsar user and my sequencer is cubase vst5.0, I discovered that my beats (made with pulsardevices) where out of synch, they weren't thight enough. Now I Discovered a VST program called Native Instruments Battery, when i make a beat with this program, the beats are thight like on a AKAI MPC2000XL. Even when i record the beat to audio the beat stays tight. I have only one problem, the sounds i make with pulsar (for example a bass) seems to be out of synch with beat. does anybody experience the same problem, and does somebody know the solution.
TIA QA
NI-Battery vs Pulsar
Moin,
I am using the same stuff and have the same problem! Yesterday I put the ULLI settings from 25 ms to 13 ms and it seems (I am not quite sure) that it is more tight now! But it is hard to judge just by your ear if it sounds different! Just try to change the ULLI settings!
I am thankful for other advices as well!!
I am using the same stuff and have the same problem! Yesterday I put the ULLI settings from 25 ms to 13 ms and it seems (I am not quite sure) that it is more tight now! But it is hard to judge just by your ear if it sounds different! Just try to change the ULLI settings!
I am thankful for other advices as well!!
What you're experiencing is the ASIO driver latency, and the amazing zero-latency environment of Pulsar.
Anything INSIDE Pulsar like synths, samplers, etc will literally have 0-2ms latency or so, just like a hardware synth. Timing is rock solid tight "like an MPC2000."
When you run a VST instrument like NI Battery, it connects to your audio card through a windows ASIO driver. Pulsar has pretty good ASIO drivers (7ms or lower with make2 cards, 13ms with make1 cards), so setting your ULLI to 13ms will help this driver delay. The delay is caused by windows stealing cycles, and the only way to fix it is to build a hardware buffer into your soundcard like creamware has (but you still get latency since windows was never supposed to be a 'realtime os.')
YOu can also adjust your Sequencer to play back Audio/ASIO/VST by setting an offset of your ULLI. If you have your ULLI set to 13ms, then offset should be -13ms. Look in your manual for more information, it explains it pretty well. Also the Pulsar manual has a few words to get you on the right track too.
Anything INSIDE Pulsar like synths, samplers, etc will literally have 0-2ms latency or so, just like a hardware synth. Timing is rock solid tight "like an MPC2000."
When you run a VST instrument like NI Battery, it connects to your audio card through a windows ASIO driver. Pulsar has pretty good ASIO drivers (7ms or lower with make2 cards, 13ms with make1 cards), so setting your ULLI to 13ms will help this driver delay. The delay is caused by windows stealing cycles, and the only way to fix it is to build a hardware buffer into your soundcard like creamware has (but you still get latency since windows was never supposed to be a 'realtime os.')
YOu can also adjust your Sequencer to play back Audio/ASIO/VST by setting an offset of your ULLI. If you have your ULLI set to 13ms, then offset should be -13ms. Look in your manual for more information, it explains it pretty well. Also the Pulsar manual has a few words to get you on the right track too.
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PabloFasan
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Sorry for introduce my spoon in this talk.
Really the difference between 25 ms or 13 ms is non-audible.
If you percieve with your ears a noticiable latency, and more if you'r speaking about bass frecuencies, the amount of latency probably is over of 1/10 second or more.
Psicoacustically speaking, the time that the brain need for to react and recognize bass frcuencies is to much longer than with the center or high frecuencies.
The overtones help a little, but only in sounds that have a very pecussive attack, if not the accuracity of the sound attack is a relative concept.
To have a sound + 20 or -20 ms before or after the quantization value is heard like a groove sensation (the "old" word swing used in jazz is apropiate for this).
To see a sound in an editor screen out of phase or without coincidence in the attack with others, does not mean an error and many times a is musical decision.
In real acoustic instruments music, to have a 1/10 second "sync" precision, is to have a good timming and if your precision playing is near 1/20 second you'r a master of rhythm.
Really the difference between 25 ms or 13 ms is non-audible.
If you percieve with your ears a noticiable latency, and more if you'r speaking about bass frecuencies, the amount of latency probably is over of 1/10 second or more.
Psicoacustically speaking, the time that the brain need for to react and recognize bass frcuencies is to much longer than with the center or high frecuencies.
The overtones help a little, but only in sounds that have a very pecussive attack, if not the accuracity of the sound attack is a relative concept.
To have a sound + 20 or -20 ms before or after the quantization value is heard like a groove sensation (the "old" word swing used in jazz is apropiate for this).
To see a sound in an editor screen out of phase or without coincidence in the attack with others, does not mean an error and many times a is musical decision.
In real acoustic instruments music, to have a 1/10 second "sync" precision, is to have a good timming and if your precision playing is near 1/20 second you'r a master of rhythm.
Maybe this is important.If you wanna play the pulsar projekt Live I guess 7 ms
latency gives you the real feeling !!!.
But I saw that Cubase VST 5
has a latency about 28 ms (Mac).
So if the ulli setting in pulsar is set to
25. it would be "more" tight.
and I gusee that you in cubase can set Audio to midi timing -3 or + 3 ms
to get that exact feeling.
ok ok..we need to make music and in ordinary played music , we NEVER hear so small differences.
But if you have a drumloop that goes round and around, it goes a little out of sync if theere is a difference.
latency gives you the real feeling !!!.
But I saw that Cubase VST 5
has a latency about 28 ms (Mac).
So if the ulli setting in pulsar is set to
25. it would be "more" tight.
and I gusee that you in cubase can set Audio to midi timing -3 or + 3 ms
to get that exact feeling.
ok ok..we need to make music and in ordinary played music , we NEVER hear so small differences.
But if you have a drumloop that goes round and around, it goes a little out of sync if theere is a difference.
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