Problem with SX solved! :D

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 8:14 am

Hello guys!

No, I dont have networking on my DAW. I have my old PC for the internet.
No, I havent run the Asio tests recently... But I remember when I had run them in the past, they failed... Anyway, these tests arent only for the Asio drivers that come with SX?
I am not using any emulated ports... I have all direct-x emulated ports disabled.
In the afternoon, I ll try to record something and see if it will work out.

Keep fingers crossed!

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Sun Oct 12, 2003 5:02 pm

If you are talking about the ASIO Multimedia test, in my experience this test must pass before cubase/nuendo will work correctly with the scope ASIO driver. Make sure you have a wave dest module loaded and run the test.

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 10:18 am

Hello!

I have done a test recording and mysteriously everything went excellent @3ms... but in XTC mode and using just 5 audio tracks and 1 VSTi (at 44.1/32).
I still have to do some more hard testing (ie 16 Giga stereo tracks going into SX with audio tracks and VSTi at the same time)
Lets see... The only thing I did is to enable the Virtual Memory, and at the moment it seems that it worked!

I ll keep you posted.

On 2003-10-12 18:02, bassdude wrote:
If you are talking about the ASIO Multimedia test, in my experience this test must pass before cubase/nuendo will work correctly with the scope ASIO driver.

-Why is that??

sandrob · Post by **sandrob** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 11:29 am

If you are talking about the ASIO Multimedia test, in my experience this test must pass before cubase/nuendo will work correctly with the scope ASIO driver. Make sure you have a wave dest module loaded and run the test.

i think that this test don't have nothing with scope asio drivers. i always skip that test.

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Tue Oct 14, 2003 6:08 pm

I'm just saying, on every installation of cubase and nuendo I have done for myself and others in the past, whether or not you use the ASIO multimedia drivers or not as in our case, this test had to pass otherwise there would be problems with sync etc. Why? I don't know. Maybe steinberg knows. But I do remember reading somewhere about this being necessary for correct sync. Maybe it's different for SX I don't know but it takes very little time to do the test anyway. You only need to make sure you have a wave dest module loaded before you run the test.

Omb · Post by **Omb** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 6:37 pm

sorry for my ignorance but what does this
bus mastering ?
where can i turn it on or off ?
does turnning it off or on can improve my system with p4pe and ddr 333?

cdeers

siberiansun · Post by **siberiansun** » Mon Oct 27, 2003 7:25 pm

On 2003-10-08 09:41, marcuspocus wrote:
Also, you HAVE to completely deactivate USB2 on this i850, cuz it's a NEC USB2 controller that use PCI very badly. You have to deactivate it using jumper on the motherboard, the BIOS deactivation is not enough since the controller still use PCI bus for nothing.

Hope this help...

hmmm... this seems interesting marcus! HOW did you do it? any hints on where on the mobo i should do what?

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 1:39 am

Look in your manual! I couldn't even say where it was on the board!

Neutron · Post by **Neutron** » Tue Oct 28, 2003 11:16 pm

Just a note that you might do better giving your Creamware boards a different IRQ, 5 or 7 are good ones.

IRQ9 is used for handshaking with IRQ2 to get the upper IRQs (a kludge left over from 80286 ors so) so it is still "sharing" in a way.

wilbertenserink · Post by **wilbertenserink** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:16 am

hi all,

this is really interesting. I also have cubase SX 1.06 a Pentium 4 - 850 and a matrox G550 (with 2 monitors).
I also experience clicks and pops and a slow pulsar GUI. Most of the time my CPU meter sits around 10% and then suddenly peaks for a very small moment -> causing the click.

This happens when playing 24 midi tracks and maybe 8 audio tracks with a 24 bit ASIO2 driver....

Do you people think 24 midi tracks and 8 audio tracks is a lot? Or is this normal and are other people doing more on better performing systems?

regards WIlbert

wilbertenserink · Post by **wilbertenserink** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 8:18 am

o yeah, and I also did all the tricks and tips mentioned in this thread....

Maybe there are more people with this setup experiencing these annoying things

Kenf · Post by **Kenf** » Tue Nov 04, 2003 10:48 am

Hi wilbert
What lantency are you working with?
I use 13ms and have never had any pops or clicks with any version of cubase. Could your problem be the dreaded P4 spike problem? I don't know much about it as I use AMD but might be worth investigating?
Regards
Kenf

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:05 am

There is no P4-850

and the 'dreaded p4 spike problem' aka. denormal is related to specific coding situations that plugin coders will have to account for. Ie, if you have spiking you're going to have to test your plugins to see which ones are perhaps problematic. Older plugins (pre-2002) and very NEW developers are suspect first.

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 9:08 am

I can't have enough of it! The jump between Cubase 5.1 to SX 1.6 has been the best thing I've ever done... It is a trully incredible, ultra professional tool.

There are some minor bugs, but that's it. Cubase SX is at the moment the best sequencer you can use in the world, particularly the best sounding engine out there... I've heard different ones, payed close attention, and Cubase SX is far the best availabe.

Most problems are due to configuration, and only configuration.

There is something that makes sense: If a software works for ONE person, it should work for everybody else... When a program has a real problem, it works for NOBODY. This is just ligical.

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 10:23 am

On 2003-11-05 09:05, valis wrote:
There is no P4-850

I think what he meant is that he has a P4 with the i850 chipset. That one exist, for sure, i have one

It use RAMBUS at 1066mhz instead of DDR @800mhz

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:14 pm

Ah ok, although i thought the i850 used pc800 rdram...<shrug>

valis · Post by **valis** » Wed Nov 05, 2003 1:24 pm

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braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 10:01 am

I would get the latest ATI card with the most RAM. Install the drivers and then make sure to install the AGP drivers as well from your ASUS CD. This is very important. In fact you may have forgotten to do this. That is a mistake I made and realized it when I tried to install Max Payne 2.

It sounds like you have a very nice computer and will be in heaven once you fix all this. Nothing is wrong with Cubase SX 2.0.

On 2003-10-08 07:10, rodos1979 wrote:
Hello to all!

The last week I have been reinstalling XP. I have prepared the ultimate DAW system. I did everything as carefully as would ever be possible. I took images of my drive step to step. Defragmenting it after each installation... I mean i did everything PERFECT!

And I put this shitberg program and it's pops and clicks all over the place, with the VST Perf meter showing only 30% (Win Task Manager jumps to 100% though). The only way to make them stop was to put the ULLI to 23ms!!! I have a powerfull PC (P4 2,4, Intel 850E, 1GB RDRAM). I am sure it can do A LOT better than 23ms (and it has done in the past).

So, I did severall tests and have concluded the following:
- this bad performance is no way related with the Hard Disks
- it has neither got to do with any settings (as everything is as it should be)
So, it should either be a problem of SFP, of SX or of my Matrox G550.. To be honest, I dont think it has ANYTHING to do with SFP, because I can load loads of Masterverbs (15+ with my 2 Pulsars II) and see no error messages and hear no clicks and pops...

When reinstalling I had put the latest Matrox, and Intel chipset driver version (but not any beta ones)... I really suspect that it has something to do with Matrox.. (please! tell me which driver version are you using? Marcus I think u have 850E and G550 as well.. And any others...please help!)

But the thing that REALLY REALLY pissed me off, is when I downloaded and installed Samplitude 7, just to see if I had the same problems there...
I loaded the SAME track with the same plugins (except that I could not/didnt know how to create group channels) and pressed play...
I DIDNT EXPERIENCE NOT A SINGLE POP or CLICK!!!

And that drove me MAD!!! Because:
1) I have paid for the bloody SX and it has never worked properly
2) I REALLY HATE SAM's INTERFACE... Its so unintuitive, so different than SX.. I could never learn to use it
3) I dont want to pay even more money to buy another sequencer (Sam7), of which I hate the interface...

So, I need to make SX work properly... I have concluded that Pulsar, SX and Matrox are not compatible... If you think they are, then help me please... I am desperate this time!

P.S. My PC specs:
Asus P4T533-C (Intel 850E)
1GB Kingston RDRAM
Intel P4 2.4GHz 533FSUB
Matrox G550
CW Pulsar II and XTC
IBM 120GB and 40GB Hard disks (dont believe what they say about IBM harddisks...I am really happy with mine!)
Teac RW548E
Pioneer DVD-RW 106D
WinXP (no SP-1)
SX 1.06 waiting for SX2

P.S.2. I forgot to say that I ve tried Nuendo 2 as well and the pops and clicks were even worse! ...and they say that SX2 and NU2 are really similar...

rodos1979 · Post by **rodos1979** » Fri Nov 14, 2003 6:34 pm

Hello!

Install the AGP drivers from the Asus CD? I thought when I installed the Matrox drivers this was automatically done...
Anyway, just to report back.... I am still having problems... They were gone for 1-2 weeks or so, but since the day before yesterday they started again.
The weird thing is that I have not changed anything... I mean, there was no reason for the problems to disappear in the first place and no reason for the problems to come back...
I see occasional CPU spikes, although I am not using any plugins, so it is not the P4 denormal thing...
....i give up...

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Nov 16, 2003 12:17 pm

My experience with the ATI card and the ASUS motherboard was that this was not automatically done, nor were AGP drivers automatically installed from the ASUS CD when I installed XP. It did install some drivers from the ASUS CD the first time I booted but the AGP drivers did not.

From the "run" command line type "DXDIAG" before you install the ASUS AGP drivers. If you can not change AGP texture acceleration to enable it will say that your AGP drivers were not installed. After you install the drivers you will see that you are able to enable it.

Insert the ASUS CD and click on "Install AGP drivers".

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