Patience, please stand by

Post by **hubird** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:08 am

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interloper · Post by **interloper** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:39 am

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 2:34 am

As I've read the beginning of this post several times it makes me feel better. What I've gathered is that there hasn't been much development for SFP lately because of the whole insolvency thing, but they've finally pulled out of it (have they, I hope?) and now we're all given a chance to give suggestions for future versions. I'm sure there has been SOME development, but nothing that will produce a new complete system by next month. Of course, I could be completely wrong....

Press release in the next week or two, hmm...I'm expecting end of February.

Shayne

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 5:50 am

I fully agree with GaryB's post and my humble four DSPs have been the most useful piece of equipment over the last years for me

It's one of the rare cases I feel treated good as a customer - I got a working system capable of much more than originally expected, not exactly cheapo but for a fair amount.

Regarding the working conditions of the developers you cannot expect such folks to be highly productive in a financially critical situation.
Judging from my own experience one has to be focussed and concentrated, and even slight disturbancies might cause significant drawbacks - let alone your job depends on it.

There has been a flood of releases last year and several 3rd parties continue with great stuff recently - new Reverb, Echo2M, Solaris 2

See it as in sports: a break now and then is an essential part of getting better.

cheers, Tom

Zman · Post by **Zman** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:10 am

Wow... I hope they don't sell it to Apple like they did with EMAGIC... ;(
I still have Nightmares about that... it's like having wild Sex with 2 Girls and they suddenly convert into 2 Guy's... ;(

*urghhh*...

Love Ya all
CaBaMaN;)

petal · Post by **petal** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:48 am

True - Mac is only for the fewer of us........

Thomas

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 8:56 am

Braincell - we have all heard you price whine many times. Would you please considder not pulling every second thread you respond to off-topic and into a price discussion?

Everybody else - don't get trolled - we had this discussion many times already - everybody are repeating themselves and nobody changes standpoint = everybody are waisting thier time (including people, who don't want to read OT price discussion - but feel forced to do so, because they want to make shure they read all the In-Topic stuff (I am one of those guys)). Please ...

Post by **hubird** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 9:51 am

On 2004-01-21 06:10, CaBaMaN wrote:
Wow... I hope they don't sell it to Apple like they did with EMAGIC... ;(

I'm very sure Apple did not buy CW, if it was then John definitely wouldn't have said 'in good hands'...

ah, Apple buying CW, what a surprise would that be, sorry folks, let me dream for one second and let me feel a main guest on the party for a moment ...dream...dream...dreammmmmmmzzzzzzzzzz

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:34 am

sorry cannot withstand this one OT

for me Apple has changed from a vision to the one-eyed among blinds...
and no - that Apple/CW deal wouldn't make any sense at all

cheers, Tom

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:36 am

You guys have me all wrong. I love Creamware. I just feel they aren't running the company well. Several of you suggested their problems are not their fault. HAHAHA! furthermore you seem think that I am only interested in lower prices that I should stop complaining because the free upgrades are so generous.

I am the only person in this group (that I know of) who is demanding that Creamware start charging for SFP upgrades. This would enable CW to make more money and offer the higher tier of decent sounding software to be available to all of us. I'm thinking around $300 every 3-5 years would be about the perfect amount. Stop expecting free stuff because it is ruining Creamware.

Garyb:

You don't have to call me a hater simply because you disagree with my opinions. I am only trying to help. Calling people names is not very mature.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 10:51 am

I would GLADLY pay for an upgrade on SFP!

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:12 am

How do you think SFP, with its relatively small userbase, can afford users to run on different platform versions? IMHO that's why CW has free updates, to keep us all on one line software-wise. Makes their support easier, makes the latest version have large as possible user base and makes best bug reports.

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 11:17 am

The trouble with paid upgrades is that you inevitably "leave people behind" on older versions who either can't or won't pay.

That makes support much harder because you are (usually) obliged to support users on older versions.

With free upgrades you can at least insist that a user upgrades to the latest version before complaining about problems.

For example, I think paid upgrades is one of NI's biggest problems. They basically force Kontakt users to pay for the upgrade to version 1.5 because all the new third-party Kontakt samples simply won't work on earlier versions.

The Kontakt upgrade may be cheap, but I (for one) am very unhappy about paying again just for full functionality. And you can absolutely certain that NI will NEVER fix any bug in the older version. In effect you are immediately abandonned.

So, please no charges for upgrades !

On the price issue I think virtually all SFP devices whether by CW or third parties are over-priced (for me). But many others don't seem to think so. That's OK - I just don't buy any anymore. I've got too many synths already (30 or 40 ?) to pay $US200 for another one that IMHO seems different only in nuanced ways.

That's not rubbishing Creamware, it's just my personal economic equation. I wish CW all the very best and dearly hope they have found a happy plan to continue their good work

EDIT: Atomic beat me to it

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alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 12:08 pm

On 2004-01-21 11:17, Spirit wrote:
I've got too many synths already (30 or 40 ?) to pay $US200 for another one that IMHO seems different only in nuanced ways.

That's not rubbishing Creamware, it's just my personal economic equation. I wish CW all the very best and dearly hope they have found a happy plan to continue their good work

Isn't that fantastic? Wich platform puts you in the position to have 30-40 synths (of the average quality we all know) before You start thinking stopping buying?
And regard the sonic palette it's amazingly vaste nowadays...We have much more for the money than every other-card user.

CW platform offers true differences in sound characters of the devices.

Flexor is so punchy and robust, it has real fire in it, compare it to the velvet of CW modules...totally different..I find the sweetnes of the stock CW modules unsurpassed, some modulars in the plz page are fantastic synthesizers and they sound so different, you can "hear" the psycology of the makers...

Regarding the shop synths, Minimax, ProOne and Prodyssey are really three different things, it's surprising they come out from the same chips...

And all those free neutrons, kickme's d-comps, saturns, midi tools....other platforms must spend $$$$$$ to have comparable stuff, you won't compare my DaZynth that I find not bad as vst with any of the CW stuff here...every time that i started using it in a track it ended with unloading it and putting another scope synth...

Cheers

spoimala · Post by **spoimala** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:08 pm

What's wrong with Apple buing CW? I'm a pure PC-guy with all my fingers. Or at least I were.
But given that Apple already has Emagic, and makes decent hardware these days, maybe it would be cool if they bought CW also. They would make rock solid, real performer audio workstations!

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 1:58 pm

On 2004-01-21 12:08, alfonso wrote:
Isn't that fantastic? Wich platform puts you in the position to have 30-40 synths (of the average quality we all know) before You start thinking stopping buying?

I've been spoiled with goodies that's for sure

I like Celmo's synths, Prisma, Modular synths (so many), Lightwave, Synchrotron etc etc so much that it's a shame to "neglect" them for something new

... but the Zarg Prophet sure does appeal

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:17 pm

I am the only person in this group (that I know of) who is demanding that Creamware start charging for SFP upgrades.

I wonder why...

This would enable CW to make more money and offer the higher tier of decent sounding software to be available to all of us. I'm thinking around $300 every 3-5 years would be about the perfect amount. Stop expecting free stuff because it is ruining Creamware.

I for sure would not be willing to pay $300 for SFP upgrades. Maybe if functionality was vastly extended or improved, but I'm pretty happy with the way it is already. You don't even know that charging like that will earn CW more money in the end. I'm sure they've considered it. I think it's much more logical to have the base software upgrades for free and charge people if they want to buy extra modules (synths, effects). I think Atomic explained best the logic behind keeping everyone on the same version software, especially when newer devices require newer versions of SFP to run.
You still haven't pointed out the competitors products that offer the same functionality and quality for a significantly lower price either. Do you really think $300,- is expensive for a synthesizer? Have you been into a music hardware shop lately? Checked the prices of real analog synths on Ebay?
It is not Creamware's job to make their software "available to all of us". Wouldn't it be great if Sony made widescreen plasma tv's available to all of us? Wouldn't that be fair

I haven't bought many devices for my CW setup but each and every one was worth it and I don't considere any of them "expensive" (Zarg Pro One: $99,- Propack E99,- Celmo Guitar amp modeller: $60,- Timworks EQ: $149,- Creamware Vinco: free with one of the special actions)

PS. I don't think you're a hater, just misguided

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King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 3:22 pm

On the price issue I think virtually all SFP devices whether by CW or third parties are over-priced (for me). But many others don't seem to think so. That's OK - I just don't buy any anymore. I've got too many synths already (30 or 40 ?) to pay $US200 for another one that IMHO seems different only in nuanced ways.

You think they are overpriced but you have 30 (or 40, you pretty much lost count obviously). Maybe you should try reading back you own statement and realise how ridiculous that sounds.

okay just one more rolleye for you:

johnbowen · Post by **johnbowen** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 6:09 pm

RE; Apple buying CW - no, nothing like that is happening.

RE: pricing - plugins are not cheap...but look at ProTools plugin prices. When the first Virus TDM came out, I think it was around $795, which is the price now for the new TDM Virus Indigo (I think it is $499 for the TC Electronics Virus Powercore, which is based on Indigo. Interesting price difference, btw...but why?). A new TDM synth, Aurora (which looks pretty interesting) will sell for $499. Instead for Pulsar you get a wide variety of synths, at all prices.

The amount of time and effort to make these things is 'non-trivial', as my engineering friends like to say.

interloper · Post by **interloper** » Wed Jan 21, 2004 7:27 pm

John, that makes your synth prices actually pretty inexpensive for what you provide.

I think most here will also agree that the quality of your Zarg devices is top notch. Ha, I'll put the Solaris against the Virus anyday...