Which one next! Prophet Plus, Pro One or Prodessey?

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:17 pm

Greetings all,

Well I have been doing some research on these synths, as you know Pro one and Prodessey have demos aswell as MP3s to hear the sound, though Prophet Plus has neither of the above.

I am a bit of a prophet nut, I own NI's Pro53 and while its a great little device, I am guessing its not near the same league as the CW version.

So any one who has this synth, is it all I dream it to be? or if I have Pro53 already would I be better off just going Pro one instead?

And for any one who has the Prodessy, whats your take on that synth.. I wish I could get them all, but I am getting tapped out already lol, I already got Flexor as my 1st purchase but I long for some good ole prophet lovin!

Any advice is appreciated..

Cheers!

Post by **Guest** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:56 pm

Hi Basic,

Why not take these 2 devices for a test drive yourself. download the 60 minutes demo

http://shop.creamware.de/shop2000/de/Sh ... CY=CWSynth

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 5:59 pm

Well i own Prophet Standard, Pro One Solo (Zarg), CW Pro One and GMedia's Oddity, so i can probably give you some idea! i delayed buying Zarg's Pro One Solo because i already had Prophet Standard and thought it would sound pretty similar: i was wrong, they both have distinctive sounds. Some of the classic Prophet sounds just don't seem attainable on the Pro One Solo (and vice versa of course). i also delayed getting the CW Pro One because of the cost, but when i did go for it (i'm so weak when it comes to SFP) wow! what a sound - and still very different from the Prophet Standard. Prophet Standard is yards (miles maybe) better than Pro 53 - you won't regert getting the Plus version with all those extra bells and whistles (i'm thinking of getting it myself even though i have the Standard version).

So to Prodyssey. Well i already had Oddity when this came out, but i always tend to prefer the SFP versions of any synth so i was expecting great things (and expecting my wallet to take another dent). Sadly i was disappointed - it just didn't feel to me like it had had as much time spent on it as MiniMax (i may be wrong but that was the vibe i got) and the lack of the screaming Duo Mode really did mean that Oddity was better for me.

So what am i saying in short? If you really love the Prophet Five sound then you owe it to yourself to get Prophet Plus, if you like the Sequential sound generally then you should get Prophet Plus and CW Pro One. If you like ARP Odysseys then try GMedia's Demo (no time-out limit) and then try Prodyssey and see if you'd miss the Duo Mode.

Hope that helps,

Mr A

PS. You can get a demo of Prophet Plus by emailing John Bowen directly and he'll send you one.

[ This Message was edited by: Mr Arkadin on 2004-03-10 18:01 ]

Basic Pitch · Post by **Basic Pitch** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:23 pm

Thanks all!

Antar, I demoed Pro one and Prodessey already, its really not enough time to see what these devicesd have to offer, but the time ya get done going through the presets and tweaking one or two sounds your time is up =/

I would wanna throw it into a mix and see how the sound sits, create a patch or two of my own, tweak existing patches, try different routings and such, this just cant be done in an hour..

Mr. A, I will email him and give it a try, thanks for all that great info there, that helps a ton, one thing I am curious about though is, how similar are the Prophet Plus and CW Pro one sound? are they very similar with small diffirences making it worth it to own both? the US conversion from the Euro makes owning both of those right off the bat a costly one

I will prob end up getting one or the other to start, the question is, which one is best..

Hopefully John will get back to me quickly so I can see for myself, though it will be hard to tell since my 1 hour has long since past for the Pro one..

Cheers!

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 6:37 pm

Well i find Prophet and Pro One very different - which may seem surprising given that they have almost the same layout. i tend to use Pro One monophonically and Prophet polyphonically - not really out of some purist reason, it just seems to happen that way. And using 5-note polyphony on Pro One doesn't make it sound like a Prophet. Also the unison mode is only available on the Prophet (for really huge sounds).

Prophet Plus has a switchable LPF/BPF/HPF and wav loading in the oscillators, plus some other odds and sods that make it a more flexible bet than Pro One. Pro One has an arpegiator and sequencer which are fun to use, but remember they behave like the original - no random arping or complex sequences here. Both have onboard effects.

Joxer the Mighty · Post by **Joxer the Mighty** » Wed Mar 10, 2004 11:13 pm

Just to make things even more difficult, does anyone know if the Prophet Plus sound can be duplicated with Solaris? Solaris has the CEM oscillators and filter, and I believe it's possible to duplicate the Prophet's modulation routings. But would the two sound the same? Or is there a different sound altogether to the Prophet Plus?

[ This Message was edited by: Joxer the Mighty on 2004-03-10 23:13 ]

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:44 am

I'd always thought that the Pro-Ones (Zarg and CW) and the Prophets were all based on the same atoms. From the reports I guess the CW Pro-One is using slightly different algorithms than John's stuff. The only Prophet synth I have is Solaris, which gives you amazing flexibility (and it's really easy to use), but it takes a bit more DSP power than the others. I think CW's Pro-One is a good option, and if you're interested in the Prophet Plus, take a look at Solaris.

Shayne

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 6:10 am

Oooops ! did you know that you can beyond the one hour demo limit ?
I discovered it then read it on Z, it worked because I plugged the device and didn't change anything in the project.

That way, I could demo Minimax more than 3 hours before my ears fell !

Anyway, I recommmend to record because once the demo time is gone, you just have memories and impressions ...

Concerning you question : I dunno !

I guess as well, there are slight differences to make sure each product is unique.

Yes, try Solaris 2 ( and Red Dwarf modules ), 229 euros is a steal for what it can do !

kwild · Post by **kwild** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 9:06 am

[quote]
On 2004-03-11 06:10, decimator wrote:
Oooops ! did you know that you can beyond the one hour demo limit ?
[quote]

Hey,are you sure decimator?
What we must do to extend this orribly short 1 hour demo limit?
Regards.

[ This Message was edited by: kwild on 2004-03-11 09:07 ]

decimator · Post by **decimator** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 1:42 pm

Well, it worked for me twice for Prodyssey and Minimax and I've read something about it here, bug or loophole ?

It worked also because I didn't modify the project at all, just played and it worked for hours in a row, when I was done, I removed and reloaded the device and then : end of demo.

Now CWA has to change this one hour limit stated on their site, it's a good way to lose sales.Given the recent positive changes and openess, I'am pretty sure it will evolve.

[ This Message was edited by: decimator on 2004-03-11 13:43 ]

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:31 pm

Here's something interesting to note: John is no longer selling the Prophet Plus!! It's been completely removed from his Web site. I guess he figured that between CW's Pro-One and Solaris, there's no use for it anymore.

Joxer the Mighty · Post by **Joxer the Mighty** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:39 pm

Yeah, I thought I was going nuts last night while looking for Prophet Plus info over at zarg.com, lol. "Damn, I KNOW I've seen it here before!"

Anyway, I have a feeling that Solaris does make Prophet Plus redundant. I can't rave enough about Solaris!

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Thu Mar 11, 2004 4:58 pm

You can still get the Prophet Plus! Zarg doesn't sell it. AFAIK Sequential always did. I bought it when it was bundled with the Prophet standard & Pro-One. IMO the Zarg/WC Prophet smokes the Pro53. Here's where you can get it:

http://www.winecountrysequential.com/softsynth.html

Ben Walker · Post by **Ben Walker** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 11:28 am

The Prophet Plus is a synth I find myself going back to again and again. I have all the CW synths, all the Zarg synths, and a fair few others besides (let's not forget the 100's of modular synth patches) and the Prophet Plus really stands out.

It's not as comprehensive as the Solaris, not as feature rich as Vectron or Prisma, but it just sounds fantastic. Even when I play crappy little samples back through the wav osc's it makes them sound great and you can modulate the hell out of them for really interesting results. The ProOne was an absolute bargain, but the Pro Plus was the cream of the crop soundwise.

Cheers,
Ben

AlienMachine · Post by **AlienMachine** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 12:20 pm

Hello there,

It seems that Wine Country does not sell the Prophet plus anymore, at least now.

When I asked them about purchasing it this was their reply:

"The Prophet Plus software is currently a work in progress.. thanks for your
interest, and best of luck with your music."

What does that mean? Who knows...

Alien

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:01 pm

Maybe it's getting a CW upgrade like Pro One did. Like Ben i like Prophet because it isn't as laden featured as things like Solaris - i actually tend to make more presets with less features; i get a little overwhelmed with synths that can do it all.

scary808 · Post by **scary808** » Fri Mar 19, 2004 6:26 pm

On 2004-03-19 12:20, Alien wrote:
Hello there,

It seems that Wine Country does not sell the Prophet plus anymore, at least now.

When I asked them about purchasing it this was their reply:

"The Prophet Plus software is currently a work in progress.. thanks for your
interest, and best of luck with your music."

What does that mean? Who knows...

Alien

That's a bummer. I hope it resurfaces.