STS Samplers: Low Memory with 1GBt system memory installed!

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:34 am

I'm not sure why I get this error when I try to load a sample into any of the STS series of samplers (2000, 4000 or 5000). It says "Low Memory", however, in the memory panel, it shows 1003 MBt free memory.
STS 5000 used to work with Win2K on the same machine. Is this a possible problem with Windows 2003 Server (I'm thinking maybe some API calls are not supported anymore)?

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Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 10:51 am

I had exactly this problem trying to load NS Kit into STS 3000

I run Windows 2000 Professional. It just wouldn't load due to not enough memory being available.

Perhaps the STS's 'Memory' page shows true system resources, but perhaps not what it can get its hands on? (If you see what I mean).

Battery loads this kit just fine, so my thinking at the time was that perhaps Cubase (?) reserves a massive chunk of memory for itself, so not all 'free' memory is available to other applications. That doesn't really make sense, though...if an application like Cubase had reserved memory for itself in that fashion, it wouldn't show up as available in the sampler's memory page...

So - I'd say it was a (n. other) BUG in the STS samplers.

Royston

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:10 am

On 2004-07-26 11:51, Counterparts wrote:

Battery loads this kit just fine, so my thinking at the time was that perhaps Cubase (?) reserves a massive chunk of memory for itself, so not all 'free' memory is available to other applications. That doesn't really make sense, though...if an application like Cubase had reserved memory for itself in that fashion, it wouldn't show up as available in the sampler's memory page...

Royston

You could start the Task Manager and see how much free memory is awailable or how much Cubase is reserving. For example SFP is eating up as much as 30 MBt, Explorer about 12-15 MBt etc.

I wonder also if it has anything to do with those Adaptec ASPI drivers?

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:33 am

I found this thread but it refers to Win98.

http://www.planetz.com/forums/viewtopic ... forum=20&5

Maybe I could change the System.ini in Win 2003 Server?

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snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:38 pm

May be I have a small clue here, may be not really your configuration though.
Had the same problem.. after a while I realized I had loaded some big SF2 bank on my other card's sampling memory space (an emu 10k1 card wich I use for GMidi compatibility secuencing). It seems both the 10k1 card and the STS map memory on the same space of memory.., can't explay why.., but when I unloaded my 10k1 memory empty the STS loaded the samples completely.

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 3:44 pm

Thanks Snoopy, but I "only" have one Pulsar II and a Scope Booster board which are linked together. This is the other thing that is different from my original setup.
Are there any special settings for this case?

snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:21 pm

On 2004-07-26 16:44, BingoTheClowno wrote:
Thanks Snoopy, but I "only" have one Pulsar II and a Scope Booster board which are linked together. This is the other thing that is different from my original setup.
Are there any special settings for this case?

Well it was a long shot any way...
But there should be some way to configure the base address for loading samples in STS..., unles it is hardcoded wich I doubt..

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BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:31 pm

I'll play around some more. I know I "tweaked" a lot of settings in Windows, including the virtual cache setting in Windows which, coincidentally, I set it to 512 MBt (It doesn't have to be 1.5 times the total physical memory like MS recomended

).

At least I think I know where I should start to look.

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snoopy4ever · Post by **snoopy4ever** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:53 pm

On 2004-07-26 18:31, BingoTheClowno wrote:
I'll play around some more. I know I "tweaked" a lot of settings in Windows, including the virtual cache setting in Windows which, coincidentally, I set it to 512 MBt (It doesn't have to be 1.5 times the total physical memory like MS recomended ).

[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2004-07-26 18:34 ]

Just curious.., do you have any memory administration software installed?...or any other little piece of software that might be buggin around with your memory??...

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BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:13 pm

No, I have one running on my Win98 machine but not on this one. I don't think it's necessary, Windows NT seems to be managing memory well. There are some other applications running in the background but none that I would think would interfere.

One thing strikes me odd, why the STS 5000 memory panel indicates 1003 MBt free which totally does not match the free physical memory, ~ 700 MBt? Maybe that's a clue!

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Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:35 am

I did some checking last night - in conclusion, the value displayed in the 'free memory' field in the STS sampler is....complete and utter bollocks!

Cubase was munching 200MB and SFP munching another 100. Probably a few other MB gone to other processes but a rough figure of 300MB was already gone.

I have 512MB of memory. The 'free' field indicated that I had 486MB 'free'.

So...your problem may be that you genuinely don't have enough memory available to load the sample(s) you're trying to - use CTRL-ALT-DEL to bring up the task manager and check how much free memory you really have.

Royston

Fatboy · Post by **Fatboy** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:16 am

I just wanted to add that I have almost exactly the same problem. I think Windows 2003 server might be the problem. STS 5000 worked great on Windows XP with excactly the same hardware as I have now. I have tried to load samples in it right after reboot and during normal production. I still get the "low memory" message. I have 512 MB of RAM, but it should still be no problem. Extremely irritating as I just got to grips with the STS way of doing certain things.

Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:19 am

I really don't think that this is an OS issue - I've had this problem since day one, running '98 or W2K.

Royston

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:33 am

Problem fixed!
If I run the SFP in compatibility mode (compatible with XP), it works fine. Just right click on the sfp.exe and choose Compatibility (I had to choose Windows XP).

So, it is Windows 2003 Server, there is some compatibility issue here, I'll try to talk to Ralf since this is going to be a problem with the upcoming Longhorn.

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Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:34 am

Never heard of that one - is it mentioned in the manual?

Have to give it a go this evening...

Royston

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:48 am

I don't recall seeing this in the manual. The old Creamware support site had a lot of good information. I hope it is not lost forever like the library of Alexandria

What operating system are you running Royston?

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Counterparts · Post by **Counterparts** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:58 am

Counterparts wrote:
I run Windows 2000 Professional.

Royston

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 12:09 pm

voidar · Post by **voidar** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:57 pm

I have the same problem in XP when loading the SM_Kit which we pulsarians are graced with.

I ahve 512mb of ram. I tried stopping a bunch of problems, but it did not get me much further.
Irritating to say the least. :/

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:32 pm

I'll try the SM_Kit tonight.
However, look how much available memory STS reports.