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jabney · Post by **jabney** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:15 am

I just downloaded the "CreamWare Scope SDK License and Nondisclosure Agreement" and under 'License - L2 - Limitation of License" it says "Licensee is not allowed to implement or operate any kind of copy protection, use restriction or user authorization mechanism within ... software Licensee creates with the help of the SDK."

Let's say I create the "Jabney Automated Beethoven's Tenth Symphony+ Creator" (JABTS+C) for CreamWare cards, I use the SDK, and I want to market it.

Does this mean no "time-limited" trial basis version of JABTS+C is allowed? Say I call the trial basis software "JABTS+C - 1st Movement Only Edition;" would that be considered a use restriction?

Let's say I create a custom version for each customer, e.g. "JABTS+C - Licensed to Elvis Diddley." Would that be considered copy protection, a use restriction or a user authorization mechanism? If so, what if the custom version said, 'JABTS+C - Created Especially for Elvis Diddley - Anybody Else Using This Software is Loathsome and Despicable?"

Finally, what if there is suddenly a surge in demand for symphonic music (yeah, right) and I want to market JABTS+C through the CreamWare Online Shop? And CreamWare agrees! Would that be possible under SDK 1.0.0 or would CreamWare have to create a different SDK?

[ This Message was edited by: jabney on 2004-09-16 01:18 ]

Post by **garyb** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:20 am

you must buy the scope/dp package to market devices. the sdk is for personal, freebie use.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:31 am

Or for handing out freebie devices to people here. No charging, though.

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 2:18 am

the next paragraph (L4) may be even more interesting in this context - I can't really make sense of it, though.
And according to G9 you sign an agreement that's possibly lasting longer than the license itself.

cheers, Tom

WayneSim · Post by **WayneSim** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:42 am

If you guys are serious about creating some useful things. Then please can you make GSIF 2 drviers to work with Gigastudio 3. Pretty Please

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Failing the free and good will option. I'm sure everyone would be happy to pass you $10 under the table for your efforts

. (Did I say that out loud) And before people jump on my back it's not like creamware have done anything towards doing it themself.

at0m · Post by **at0m** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 10:52 am

I'm afraid drivers are a bit on another level than what you can do with the SDK...

Post by **garyb** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 11:41 am

On 2004-09-16 11:42, WayneSim wrote:
make GSIF 2 drviers to work with Gigastudio 3.And before people jump on my back it's not like creamware have done anything towards doing it themself.

do you know this?

cw never sez much about what they're up to, but they usually try to implement thnigs that the customer base wants. it is a small company so lots of things happen very slowly....

WayneSim · Post by **WayneSim** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 12:47 pm

at0m|c, thanks for the info. Now I think about it I understand what you mean.

garyb, I think your quote "cw never sez much about what they're up to" says it all. I mean they SHOULD tell us what they are up to. At least that way we know what to expect. For example if someone wanted to use GSIF 2, they might ditch Creamware and buy other soundcards. But if Creamware stated they were working on GSIF 2 drivers then it would be fine becasue at least you would know something is happening.

Actually I take back some of what I just said. Tascam made GS3 quite public early on. Then they stuffed around with the release date so many times. Months and Months pasted... Even years... Everyone got really pissed off!

What was my point? I cant remember... LOL... ummm... My point is: have a nice day everyone

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[ This Message was edited by: WayneSim on 2004-09-16 13:48 ]

Post by **Guest** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 1:39 pm

C promises are easily made but hardly kept and many have seen this from many companies including CWA (OSX). I personally don't want to be told what is next, A good policy (IMHO)is for CWA to quietly do what need to be done in terms of drivers/devices and when all finished, simply release it.

this way
1. we users don't wine if deadlines are not met.
2. element of surprise. people generally love to get things when they don't know they are getting it

To jabney: I suggest you send an email directly to the dude in charge in germany and have them explain what is not clear to you.

[ This Message was edited by: antar on 2004-09-17 14:45 ]

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Fri Sep 17, 2004 9:12 am

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But if Creamware stated they were working on GSIF 2 drivers then it would be fine becasue at least you would know something is happening.
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While I understand what you are getting at, I would personally prefer that creamware just announces features as they become available, ready to use there and then.
Promising future features doesn't cut it with me and I would never buy a product based on promised updates.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Fri Sep 24, 2004 10:01 pm

What what where who??? Where can I download it?? Gimmeeeeeeee!!!

valis · Post by **valis** » Sat Sep 25, 2004 9:04 am

On 2004-09-16 14:39, antar wrote:
C promises are easily made but hardly kept and many have seen this from many companies including CWA (OSX). I personally don't want to be told what is next, A good policy (IMHO)is for CWA to quietly do what need to be done in terms of drivers/devices and when all finished, simply release it.

this way
1. we users don't wine if deadlines are not met.

Agreed!