Some more Air Sculpting

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 12:53 pm

<a name="planetz-file"></a><a href="http://www.studiopaulrmartin.com/Demos/ ... .mp3"><img src="/forums/images/listen_icon.gif" border="0" alt=" Song"> Song</a> <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Genre: Electronic <a name="planetz-tag"></a>Uses: Pulsar Effects SOCAN©2004 Paul R. Martin _____________________________________ There's something about these tunes that really bugs me sonically.

Maybe some of you ill have an idea, I just can't put my finger on it...

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nprime · Post by **nprime** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 1:10 pm

without having any idea what you are trying to acheive, I don't think anything particularly bothers me about the overall sound.

I'll try to be really picky...maybe I get the feeling in certain parts that all the instruments are not in the same acoustic space, which is a little distracting at some points...a slightly more authoritative kick might be nice. On my speakers there is a bit of a hole in the upper bass/low mids. maybe too many instruments have top end, try picking one to stand out and make some of the sounds a little smoother?

One second listen I really feel like the frequency sprectrum is a little heavy on high end and a little light on real upper bass energy. xtreme lows are there, I don't know, I am really grasping at straws here. the strings at the end could be a little less in your face?

Take all this with a grain of salt, I am looking for subtleties here..

r

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 3:28 pm

Subtleties is what I was talking about.

Thanks for the input. I'll see what I can do about that upper bass notch. That might be the thing I'm after.

Post by **hubird** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:29 pm

same as Nprime here, you could warm up the sound in that bass area, there's a synth bass wih a short two count synthbass which could get more

very nice track btw, except that I'm not a lover of those soloing parts (don't kill me).
Nice ambient, I'd give the cellos a more important role, and import some samples or short played elements to create 'lead'

just taste

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Thu Sep 30, 2004 4:33 pm

On 2004-09-30 17:29, hubird wrote:
..., there's a synth bass wih a short two count synthbass which could get more

I'm not sure what you mean, Hubb

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 7:43 am

I updated the file now. I tweaked the mix and EQ's on a few tracks. I like it now, it seems to have more space.

Let me know what you all think, if you care to

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:34 am

Just curious, what do you use for monitors?

R

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:46 am

I really like that way this song comes in, great intro.

I find this to be better on my speakers.

The lead sounds now sit better in the mix.

Strings sound warmer, they could have just a touch more top end, just a touch.

I still would like to hear a more agressive kick sound, maybe give it a slight peak in the magical 4K region so that it cuts through a bit.

You certainly addressed the low mid issue, this is much fuller sounding...

R

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:09 pm

My monitors are Paradigm Reference series. They have a nice flat sound, not coloured at all in the mids.

I agree with the kick but I decided against it because of the delay I put on it to give it that "samba" rhythm. Maybe I'll try again though.

nprime · Post by **nprime** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:35 pm

I love Paradigms, they are my first recommendation when people ask me what kind of speakers to buy, (if they have the money).

R

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 12:46 pm

Whew! I'm glad you think so. i was starting to worry

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Fri Oct 01, 2004 11:14 pm

It's all great but the soloing.

kensuguro · Post by **kensuguro** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 1:32 am

feels like the main melody line at the beginning half is a bit too resonant. Also, I would think about adding some ultra high elements to extend the vertical space a bit. (highs for the pads esp) Extending the lows down further may also be a good idea.

Love it when the beats come in. It could be just me but I'd prefer the synth lead line to be a bit further back in the reverb field. Kinda in your face as it is. But it's a good bright sound so having it straight up may be a good contrast. Great mellow guitar sound! Interesting strings phrasing at the end.

Overall, the tune's got a distinctive atmosphere of its own. Atmosphere itself is complete I think.

Liquid EDGE · Post by **Liquid EDGE** » Sat Oct 02, 2004 2:14 pm

Nice ..

Like the intro a lot very chilled.
like the the drums come in with the blips and like.

i personnaly would have a bit more snap with the snare (well crunch the drums overal, but thats me) and i don't really like the lead sound that comes in, seems out of place. just have the guitar maybe, or a different sound..

V nice musicianship.

paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:24 pm

i'm surprised I got no comments from Chris or Neil on this one...

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 3:44 pm

They will come, at least from me...

Submarine · Post by **Submarine** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:00 am

The mix sounds good thru my headphones.
Great song,a journey through a sunny humid jungle,the intro is really great,i like the solo bended lead either just the staccato strings at the end dont fits(in my ears).
The intro let me guess the song has a ambient
structure without drums and sequenced synths
then you switch to electronic .I mean you can
envelope with this intro a whole song.
My english is too bad to explain what i really mean ,but you can make two songs from this one.

ChrisWerner · Post by **ChrisWerner** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 2:56 am

Well, time to answer to this track.
Sorry to be so late but I had to grow with this track together.
So I´ve listen many times to it as I do now.

I still don´t know how I should take it, it sounds to me like a track that was done by the way, am I wrong?

The intro is fine but I feel that the melo string is a bit too loud. Then the sequences and rhythm comes in, that I really like, then the guitar that is well played.

I always tried to find a soul in that track, sometimes I have a simply good feeling like somebody says "Hey, nice to meet you, thank you I am fine."

After the track ends and I listen to my feelings, I don´t know what I should say, sorry. The track passes me like a fast train.

I like it and I don´t like it, strange.

Where is cosmic 4 and 5?

Well, all sounds so near together, to close, I would put some relaxed moments in it to take breath. Enlarge this track and let it slowly flow. Too many things happen at the same time.

I hope you are not offended with my truth?
cheers
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Music starts where any language ends

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Quifster · Post by **Quifster** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 3:23 am

Not a bad song at all. During the song i'm experiencing several styles in it. The intro reminds me of the ambient works of pete namlook. After the intro the song evolves in a Jean Michel Jarre style.

I think that's the problem with this song. There is no clear pattern in this song which is recognizable for the listener.
Also, despite the fact that this is a 256 kb mp3 i find the sound quality not great. It sounds as if all the sounds are running on 22 khz. That also don't help for enjoying the listening experience. You really need to work on your mastering skills.

ok, so far for the constructive critism.
Now the very good parts:
- I think the 2 arrangements (the parts seperately) are good. You can definitly play very good.
- i love the electric guitar. I suggest that you make it more recognisable by repeating several phrases with this sound.
- you can use this intro in your song, but during the buildup of your intro use some elements of later parts of the song. Just tease a little bit of what will come. This way the 2 parts are more glued together to make it one song.
- In the second part of your song introduce a clear recognisable theme (electric guitar remark

)

I hope i don't sound to harsh but i really think you have the skills to make your product way better than the current one. Therefor i give you some tips the way i see it.

Regards,
quifster

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paulrmartin · Post by **paulrmartin** » Fri Oct 22, 2004 8:36 am

Ah yes! Both of you, Chris and Quifster have confirmed one thing: I put in too little time on these tracks. I am always in a big hurry to finish a track...

I do realise that there are too many styles involved in this particular track( I can't say "tune" because I can't find a real melody in there myself). I was supposed to wait for a friend to come over and help me out compositionally but I got impatient. I'm going to call him back

As far as the mastering goes, I know I still have a whole lot to learn, not to worry. Give me a chance to hit all these sites and books I got, eh?

Thanks a lot for the feedback