CreamWare reloaded

doodyrh · Post by **doodyrh** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:13 pm

Identity. Maybe the term SFP is confusing people too. What is 'Scope Fusion' saying? I don't know. They hopefully already know CreamWare and probably Pulsar or Luna. My guess is 'Scope' is less well understood.

It would be good to establish a device name like VSTi. Maybe CreamWare Audio Plugin.

CWAP. I like it. It sounds kinda familiar.

'Studio Fusion Platform' would at least mean something.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:31 pm

Scope Fusion Platform

There used to be different platforms for the different cards. With the introduction of SFP, it became homogenized. The cards where Fused together all having the Platform from the top of the line Scope card.

doodyrh · Post by **doodyrh** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 12:54 pm

The point is: what prospective buyer is going to be interested in this history lesson?

GonZoft · Post by **GonZoft** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:00 pm

It's very nice that CW don't have to close the shop. But I don't really see much of a reason for owners of current CW products to start such a huge and orgiastic thumbs up session:

On 2004-01-30 14:30, CW Frank wrote:

CreamWare Audio GmbH will continue to provide technical support, repair and warranty services for CreamWare’s existing user base. The new company plans to exhibit and introduce new product already at the upcoming Musikmesse in Frankfurt.

As far as I understand this, it means that current CW products will be discontinued and a few completely new ones will be released. You can have technical support for your current CW products and your card will get repaired if it breaks, but that's it. Don't expect any SFP 4 releases or the like. Probably there will be a completely new hardware platform which will not be compatible to them ancient current CW cards or the software they are running.

Let's hope the best.

GonZoft

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:02 pm

* PCI-X
PCI-X is surely not too far off-topic But then again - why not replace PCI-X by FireWire/USB2? Would be very interesting to hear your opinions. Please note that all this is not "near future" but "still some way down the road".

Please please, do not switch to USB. USB is horrible, unstable with great latencies!
Please stick with PCI or PCI-X

Post by **garyb** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:10 pm

agreed.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:28 pm

I think USB1 is bad because it's so slow, but lots of people have had great results with FireWire. I don't know about USB2; nothing supports it yet!

My only fear is that to make FireWire work, there'd have to be a lot of included onboard memory, causing a forced rewrite of existing plugins, making backward compatibility impossible. I still say PCI-X is the way to go. Why not take advantage of the highest bandwidth possible? FireWire, even 800, is *SLOWER* than current PCI! Why would we want to go backward??

Shayne

BingoTheClowno · Post by **BingoTheClowno** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:37 pm

http://www.pcisig.com/specifications/pcix_20

"PCI-X 2.0 is a new, higher speed version of the conventional PCI standard, which supported signaling speeds up to 533 megatransfers per second (MTS). Revision 1.0 of the PCI-X specification defined PCI-X 66 and PCI-X 133 devices that transferred data up to 133 MTS, or over 1Gbyte per second for a 64-bit device."

1GBt/sec + TigerShark 600MHz DSPs, one doesn't have to worry about one's hair style with those kinds of speeds

Spirit · Post by **Spirit** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 1:43 pm

On 2004-02-02 12:54, doodyrh wrote:
The point is: what prospective buyer is going to be interested in this history lesson?

Absolutely no one. You're right, the whole SFP thing is just a confusing bit of history now. It should just be the Creamware software version 3.1 or whatever. The reorganisation is a great chance to cut away all the old crap.

King of Snake · Post by **King of Snake** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 3:24 pm

On 2004-02-02 13:00, GonZoft wrote:
It's very nice that CW don't have to close the shop. But I don't really see much of a reason for owners of current CW products to start such a huge and orgiastic thumbs up session:

On 2004-01-30 14:30, CW Frank wrote:

CreamWare Audio GmbH will continue to provide technical support, repair and warranty services for CreamWare’s existing user base. The new company plans to exhibit and introduce new product already at the upcoming Musikmesse in Frankfurt.
As far as I understand this, it means that current CW products will be discontinued and a few completely new ones will be released. You can have technical support for your current CW products and your card will get repaired if it breaks, but that's it. Don't expect any SFP 4 releases or the like. Probably there will be a completely new hardware platform which will not be compatible to them ancient current CW cards or the software they are running.

I really don't see where you get all this. There is no mention of discontinueing the current products. Then they would have nothing to sell anymore. The notion of then introducing a new hardware platform with no backwards compatibility sounds absurd to me. Why on earth would they do that? The "new product" will most likely be a new plugin (e-piano anyone?) for SFP. Do you think they'll "discontinue" their current plugins?

Frank already said SFP4 is a possibility for the future, but we probably shouldn't expect it anytime soon.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 4:16 pm

I just read that Intel wants to have a very quick transition to PCI Express. I had thought that PCI Express was still a long way off from the mass market, as Apple went with PCI-X instead. But if Intel is going to transition to PCI Express, perhaps CreamWare had better go with that instead. It's a lot faster than PCI-X. Over 1GB/s!!!

By the way, it looks like Intel is going to dump AGP in favor of PCI Express in their upcoming chipsets. I can't wait for everyone to jump on the bandwagon! Apple had better do that as well.

Shayne

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:47 pm

I just built a new computer and now something better comes along grrrr!

inDSP Frank · Post by **inDSP Frank** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:57 pm

Thanks for all your comments and input. Demo contest and documentation reward program, for example, are excellent points. Please go on, we are listening.

Frank

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 5:57 pm

On 2004-02-02 17:47, braincell wrote:
I just built a new computer and now something better comes along grrrr!

Yea... this happend to me to, and it will happend forever... this is technology and interest toguether.

Immanuel · Post by **Immanuel** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 6:00 pm

Maybe quote the writers/composers for the manuals/tutorials - it may help create a user friendly atmosphere

Nestor · Post by **Nestor** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:00 pm

On 2004-02-02 18:00, Immanuel wrote:
Maybe quote the writers/composers for the manuals/tutorials - it may help create a user friendly atmosphere

Cool idea, but it should be revised by the end, to correct errors.

Shayne White · Post by **Shayne White** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 7:33 pm

On 2004-02-02 17:57, CW Frank wrote:
Thanks for all your comments and input. Demo contest and documentation reward program, for example, are excellent points. Please go on, we are listening.

Frank

OK, I'll say a little more! This is a SFP update: when I connect audio "cables" in the Live Bar, I think both left and right channels should connect at once, automatically, instead of having to connect two mono cables. Same for the routing window. Of course there would be an option to set automatic stereo or mono connections. I've turned off all the auto-connect device cables; I don't like SFP figuring out where I want to route cables. But automatic left and right connections would be good.

Shayne

Post by **hubird** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:17 pm

Doodihr, good point, I also find the name Scope Fusion Platform terrible and out of date, while Scope is perfect.
I just hate fusion, that's why, I guess...

mano · Post by **mano** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 8:34 pm

On 2004-02-01 20:11, dehuszar wrote:
... Also, thinking of Mano1's Minimax review

New reviews of Pro One and Prodyssey will soon be published on FP too

Always happy to feature amazing CW devices.

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Frank:

great news and good luck with everything. Keep up the great work.

-mano

astroman · Post by **astroman** » Mon Feb 02, 2004 10:28 pm

On 2004-02-02 20:17, hubird wrote:
...I also find the name Scope Fusion Platform terrible and out of date, while Scope is perfect...

you could be right, Hubird - it was the original name of the system in 1998

just had a peek in the Keyboards mag

cheers, Tom