narly, who said that?
or are you suggesting that might alone makes right? are you saying that laws and morality are only for those who are fit to be subjigated and that if you're strong enough no atrocity is forbidden? if so, then i understand that last comment....
bombs in london
"An estimated 4.2 million cameras -- largely concentrated in London and other major cities -- observe Britons as they go about their daily business, whether they're waiting for a bus, riding a train, lining up at a bank or parking a car in a public garage."
"It's widely estimated that the average Briton is caught on various cameras up to 300 times on a normal day."
I think that would give a very good change the bombers are recorded. Let's see what comes out of that investigation.. 4.2 million. Wow , you could create a documentary or reallife soap of every citisen
with that footage.
Casper
"It's widely estimated that the average Briton is caught on various cameras up to 300 times on a normal day."
I think that would give a very good change the bombers are recorded. Let's see what comes out of that investigation.. 4.2 million. Wow , you could create a documentary or reallife soap of every citisen
with that footage.
Casper
interesting that an imaginary character(from a terrible script) would be quoted in a call for reality 
......
beware the negative emotions of hate and fear. a path to the darkside that is......
yeah, they'll find the real bombers when they find osama's dead body(holed up in a cave on the run and on dialysis, right..)
oops, blew up a wedding party of innocent civilians. oops, blew up an innocent civilian's house...sorry,sorry. (a pretty cool monty python routine with a little work)
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......beware the negative emotions of hate and fear. a path to the darkside that is......
yeah, they'll find the real bombers when they find osama's dead body(holed up in a cave on the run and on dialysis, right..)
oops, blew up a wedding party of innocent civilians. oops, blew up an innocent civilian's house...sorry,sorry. (a pretty cool monty python routine with a little work)
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On 2005-07-09 22:26, narly wrote:
We live in a real world - come back to it.
-P. Amidala
LOL, I didn't even realise that was from Star Wars until garyb pointed it out.
I'm really puzzled narly... because even if you ignore the entirety of human history and just watch Star Wars, you'll know how stupid it is to follow your government just because it's your government.
And plelase stop defending terrorists.
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Casper, I think it's fairly obvious that money is involved here too... the UK is in this just as deep as the Americans.On 2005-07-10 03:47, Casper wrote:
I agree that already things are smelling bad.
Just hope U.K. will comeup with some hard evidence. And let's hope there isn't any moneymaking bussiness involved here too.
One thing though is that, on the whole, the British people are a lot less inclined to follow their government blindly. While the democratic situation here is just as bad as the US (officially a 3 party system, but 2 of those are so useless right now that there is NO choice), people here will not sit back and tolerate officially sanctioned murder.
The truth will come out... as you say, the official story is already looking pretty shaky.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/4668313.stm
I think it's going to be a whole summer of this kind of thing.
The British government *know* that the British people hate nothing more than stuff like this spoiling their summer (we get hardly any weather at all that you could call 'summer').
This tactic was widely used by the IRA when they were active.
I can see the paranoia and hysteria is going to get worse.
I think it's going to be a whole summer of this kind of thing.
The British government *know* that the British people hate nothing more than stuff like this spoiling their summer (we get hardly any weather at all that you could call 'summer').
This tactic was widely used by the IRA when they were active.
I can see the paranoia and hysteria is going to get worse.
Dark
I wish to come back to one point:
if I wanna belive this sudden, no suicide attack was born from ideology and not from dark plans, I must belive also those people so unreasonable the sort they wanna attack by violence a so powerfull military/intelligence organization.
And racist ideas could rise in my mind.
Ghandi life taught nothing.
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I wish to come back to one point:
if I wanna belive this sudden, no suicide attack was born from ideology and not from dark plans, I must belive also those people so unreasonable the sort they wanna attack by violence a so powerfull military/intelligence organization.
And racist ideas could rise in my mind.
Ghandi life taught nothing.
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Wooha Stardust.
But I must add something more and I think with this I'll conclude my posting for some time.
Maybe a bit out of topic, out of mind. Who don't like weird stories please don't read further.
I'm sorry for any spelling mistakes as soon as I hope to emerge clear in my writing, since my mood now is not, not good.
I want to talk about PRIVACY VIOLATIONS.
Darkrezin, I wonder how come something similar don't happen to you too. I guess you express your ideas just on the net with your pseudonym, or England is more liberal than here.
I'm sure I was identified.
There's a lot of little things making me thinking so, but none of them is demonstrable with certainty neither with proofs, and I'm not sure myself my mind is right or it's paranoia.
From this my mood.
Before tell you about something happened in these days I wanna state in advance I've not committed any crime and I'm not officially inquired for anything.
These are some of the facts. I'm conscious it can as well appear trivial after all this preamble, but...
One of these days I've sent some money to a friend in a foreign state. I used a letter envelope by ordinary mail to avoid fees.
The day this friend comunicated me by the web that he received the letter with the money, I went out at night by car without fixed destination as sometimes I use to do, and I had to see a car of the Revenue Guard Corps parked with lighted headlamps in a side road, along a road I use to go. The agents was in the car. I passed two time again with a gap of less of 10 minutes and the agents still was in the car. The third time I passed the car was gone.
Big brother is watching you.
Ordinary madness.
On Friday I wrote here, referred to some of the G8 leaders:
Leave the limousine and go wait for the train in the underground stations! And other stuff.
On Saturday night I went out again.
I'm single.
In my mind I thought to meet the girl staying at the corner sometimes I use to see.
She's clandestine immigrant and here police close an eye and let them in the streets, but I guess anyway conduct the things asking them about the clients, giving them behaviour directives to follow with some people
.
Well, on saturday night a very big car never seen before was parked beside that girl with a man inside talking her. She made me a maybe bit embarrassed mention of greeting. I passed away.
I passed again and again and the car and the man were always there, till I was tired and went home.
Before home, I stopped for get cigarettes. While I got off the car, another car arrived. From this car got off two men, one which has a showy putting in plaster keeping one arm almost to the shoulder height.
Less ordinary madness?
Are not the only things making me talk about privacy violation. There's too much similar things; if I would be able to remeber them all I think my life could begin to appear to me too much similar to a kind of nightmare.
I think probably speak about this on the net could turn out as a mistake. But I want not bend myself. Free speech is a right i can't renounce.
Crazy horse.
But I must add something more and I think with this I'll conclude my posting for some time.
Maybe a bit out of topic, out of mind. Who don't like weird stories please don't read further.
I'm sorry for any spelling mistakes as soon as I hope to emerge clear in my writing, since my mood now is not, not good.
I want to talk about PRIVACY VIOLATIONS.
Darkrezin, I wonder how come something similar don't happen to you too. I guess you express your ideas just on the net with your pseudonym, or England is more liberal than here.
I'm sure I was identified.
There's a lot of little things making me thinking so, but none of them is demonstrable with certainty neither with proofs, and I'm not sure myself my mind is right or it's paranoia.
From this my mood.
Before tell you about something happened in these days I wanna state in advance I've not committed any crime and I'm not officially inquired for anything.
These are some of the facts. I'm conscious it can as well appear trivial after all this preamble, but...
One of these days I've sent some money to a friend in a foreign state. I used a letter envelope by ordinary mail to avoid fees.
The day this friend comunicated me by the web that he received the letter with the money, I went out at night by car without fixed destination as sometimes I use to do, and I had to see a car of the Revenue Guard Corps parked with lighted headlamps in a side road, along a road I use to go. The agents was in the car. I passed two time again with a gap of less of 10 minutes and the agents still was in the car. The third time I passed the car was gone.
Big brother is watching you.
Ordinary madness.
On Friday I wrote here, referred to some of the G8 leaders:
Leave the limousine and go wait for the train in the underground stations! And other stuff.
On Saturday night I went out again.
I'm single.
In my mind I thought to meet the girl staying at the corner sometimes I use to see.
She's clandestine immigrant and here police close an eye and let them in the streets, but I guess anyway conduct the things asking them about the clients, giving them behaviour directives to follow with some people
.Well, on saturday night a very big car never seen before was parked beside that girl with a man inside talking her. She made me a maybe bit embarrassed mention of greeting. I passed away.
I passed again and again and the car and the man were always there, till I was tired and went home.
Before home, I stopped for get cigarettes. While I got off the car, another car arrived. From this car got off two men, one which has a showy putting in plaster keeping one arm almost to the shoulder height.
Less ordinary madness?
Are not the only things making me talk about privacy violation. There's too much similar things; if I would be able to remeber them all I think my life could begin to appear to me too much similar to a kind of nightmare
.I think probably speak about this on the net could turn out as a mistake. But I want not bend myself. Free speech is a right i can't renounce.
Crazy horse.
addition to the crusades:
target was to establish a kindom of Jerusalem.
This existed from 1099 till 1291.
Until the plans for the Suez Canal there was no significant conflict there.
(well, the leftovers from the kingdom tried a bit from Cyprus, until the
last queen sold and retired to Venice 1489, and french king won the jackpot).
I think it's better to start the history of the actual conflict with the Suez Canal,
when the region returned into "world politics". After some hundred years of
kind of normal life.
The conflict between islam and christianity continued in spain and austria
during this time. (reconquista 718-1611, Vienna 1683)
target was to establish a kindom of Jerusalem.
This existed from 1099 till 1291.
Until the plans for the Suez Canal there was no significant conflict there.
(well, the leftovers from the kingdom tried a bit from Cyprus, until the
last queen sold and retired to Venice 1489, and french king won the jackpot).
I think it's better to start the history of the actual conflict with the Suez Canal,
when the region returned into "world politics". After some hundred years of
kind of normal life.
The conflict between islam and christianity continued in spain and austria
during this time. (reconquista 718-1611, Vienna 1683)
Cochise - check reply in other thread.
Meanwhile, the plot thickens....
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ju ... rcises.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/09070 ... e_clip.mp3
I'm basically beginning to think that even if the truth is revealed and proven beyond doubt (which, thanks to the mechanics of the 'conspiracy theory industry', will *never* happen), people won't care. The vast majority of people are now so conditioned to getting screwed by their government, that nothingi will matter anymore. As long as they have their reality TV and soap opera dramas, they're fine.
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Meanwhile, the plot thickens....
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/ju ... rcises.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/audio/09070 ... e_clip.mp3
I'm basically beginning to think that even if the truth is revealed and proven beyond doubt (which, thanks to the mechanics of the 'conspiracy theory industry', will *never* happen), people won't care. The vast majority of people are now so conditioned to getting screwed by their government, that nothingi will matter anymore. As long as they have their reality TV and soap opera dramas, they're fine.
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To add further to my resigned 'defeat' in my last post... I've come to the conclusion (as I have before, but it's easy to forget these little things in emotional moments ) that preaching about this stuff is not the way forward. People are not ready for it, and they simply do not wanna know.
The only thing you can do IMHO is try and change attitudes through art or other media which people can relate to.
Preaching in absolutes to people is like directing sheep, and is the way of the enemy IMHO. I despise the world of politics, as it is tokenist and full of words which mean absolutely nothing. It is built around directing sheep, using language as a tool to manipulate people for whatever end result.
For the message to be real, the recipient has to 'feel' it, in a way which goes beyond words.
I still believe what I believe... my perception of the world can see no other possibility. However I shall seek out more constructive ways of delivering the message. Please don't think I've suddenly become apathetic.
Sorry if I upset anyone... I still think my posts were informative
peace
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) that preaching about this stuff is not the way forward. People are not ready for it, and they simply do not wanna know.The only thing you can do IMHO is try and change attitudes through art or other media which people can relate to.
Preaching in absolutes to people is like directing sheep, and is the way of the enemy IMHO. I despise the world of politics, as it is tokenist and full of words which mean absolutely nothing. It is built around directing sheep, using language as a tool to manipulate people for whatever end result.
For the message to be real, the recipient has to 'feel' it, in a way which goes beyond words.
I still believe what I believe... my perception of the world can see no other possibility. However I shall seek out more constructive ways of delivering the message. Please don't think I've suddenly become apathetic.
Sorry if I upset anyone... I still think my posts were informative
peace
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