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On 2005-03-31 11:53, braincell wrote:
Electronic music is more like painting than a performance art...etc

this all depends on which artist you're looking at. To say that "electronic music" is this or that is gross generalisation. There are loads of bands that do electronic music and play live. All the big electronica acts play live: Underworld, Chemical Brothers, Daft Punk, Prodigy, Orbital, Leftfield, Groove Armada etc...and those are just the big names.
Check out this great band called Emmet (www.emmetonline.co.uk), I friend of mine pointed me to their site and they make great electronic dance music from a purely live perspective as a three man band with vocals and a bit of guitar.

On 2005-04-01 10:37, BingoTheClowno wrote:
I really don't give a damn for live shows, there's not a single tune that does not conform to the "norm", every song is freaking predictable and boring, and some quite stupid.

wtf are you talking about? Are you talking about specific bands or music or do you pretend to have heard "every song" ever played live?

To me a live concert is a rip-off because I can buy the CD for the same cost and hear it over and over again, plus it will sound much better.

lol! Are you serious?!


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: King of Snake on 2005-04-02 08:19 ]</font>

well DUH....
music requires a listener to be of ANY importance. who cares how great it is if no one listens. there is nothing greater for the musician than to have someone LISTEN. i LOVE live performance as a musician. it is mutually gratifying for the listener as well as the artist.

i would say that for most pop styles and almost all "avant garde" styles, it's harder than ever to get paid for one's work. there still seem to be plenty of venues somehow, that expect entertainment for free.

here in the L.A. area, laws against driving drunk(and driving is really the ONLY option here), have really killed the crowds because most people here need the excuse of being drunk to hang out and tvs don't put you in jail.....

On 2005-04-02 08:17, King of Snake wrote:

wtf are you talking about? Are you talking about specific bands or music or do you pretend to have heard "every song" ever played live?

Just music in general, on the mainstream media. I actually have not seen live shows in a long time. But in general, most of the songs I have heard, all are lamenting about one's life misfortunes, sung with pathos in a phony, theatrical voice that is not even funny.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: BingoTheClowno on 2005-04-02 16:11 ]</font>

Reminds me of a Frank Zappa song:

"Broken Hearts Are For Assholes"

Yet there was text then...

Dance got rid of the message at all
What a rescue

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: hubird on 2005-04-02 21:21 ]</font>

In Australia it's breath testing and pokies and the shameless exploitation of audiences by bands,bands by venues and everybody by the media and management .Mind you neither Sydney or Perth are where it's at musically in oz are they ?
IMHO Melbourne and to a lesser extent Adelaide and Canberra have been more music friendly cities historically ,btw I live in Sydney as a life style choice but I do love it whenever I get down to Melbourne .
Cheers
Paul

i would say that for most pop styles and almost all "avant garde" styles, it's harder than ever to get paid for one's work. there still seem to be plenty of venues somehow, that expect entertainment for free.

I quite know about this... as a Fusion bass player...

Nestor did you get the album:

Pat Metheny: Live and on 'The Way Up'

There is a great NPR interview with him at:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4565323

I'm not a big jazz fan but I was thinking of buying this since it seems like it must be his best work ever from the interview and small bits I have heard.

On 2005-04-08 15:02, braincell wrote:
Nestor did you get the album:

Pat Metheny: Live and on 'The Way Up'

There is a great NPR interview with him at:

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=4565323

I'm not a big jazz fan but I was thinking of buying this since it seems like it must be his best work ever from the interview and small bits I have heard.

Wow, I'm so buzy at the moment that this passed on me... Thank you very much Braincell , that's very kind of you!

The reason these bands tour is to promote the CD and sell shirts. You will find that very little of their music is actually played live and most of it is sequenced or pre-recorded.

On 2005-04-02 08:14, King of Snake wrote:

On 2005-03-31 11:53, braincell wrote:
Electronic music is more like painting than a performance art...etc

this all depends on which artist you're looking at. To say that "electronic music" is this or that is gross generalisation. There are loads of bands that do electronic music and play live. All the big electronica acts play live: Underworld, Chemical Brothers, Daft Punk, Prodigy, Orbital, Leftfield, Groove Armada etc...and those are just the big names.
Check out this great band called Emmet (www.emmetonline.co.uk), I friend of mine pointed me to their site and they make great electronic dance music from a purely live perspective as a three man band with vocals and a bit of guitar.

King of Snake responded to:

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To me a live concert is a rip-off because I can buy the CD for the same cost and hear it over and over again, plus it will sound much better.

and said:

lol! Are you serious?!

I think the original statement is serious. Too often, the sound you hear at a live show is shrill. There's this 2k peak that some front-of-house mixers seem to insist on having in the mix (I think it's often a sign of ear fatigue).

Then there's the "busy band" syndrome where every member of the band seems to feel that he or she must be playing all the time on every single song. And not just playing, but soloing while all the other band members are also soloing. And it's usually lots of notes. No space, ever.

Oh, and the idea that maybe the band might want to drop the volume every now and then so they can build to a climax again? Nah. They'll just start too loud and get progressively louder as the evening wears on.

Not that I don't like loud music (I just posted a song in the 'Music' section that works best when played pretty loud) but a lower volume song can make the following songs sound louder. That's just the way the human ear works.