STM 2448

Post by **garyb** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:48 am

garygiles, your idea would be good if implemented. it would be convienient, but you can still send a direct out ANYwhere with a simple patching and you can save each setup as a project. i agree that a series of buttons that could be all on if you wanted would be good. you CAN do what you want to do for the moment, however.

all you really need is a swithing bus with like, 16-24 inputs and 8 busses. you could connect direct outs to the inputs of the switch and choose 1,2 or even 8 of the busses for each input, no? presets could be used to quickly change assignments in a show. that might be an easier device to build than a whole mixer....

garygiles · Post by **garygiles** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 2:26 am

HI

I can see that there are work rounds for my problem and at the moment the STM48S seems to be the best solution at the moment that I have found. It enables me to route any input channel to any number of output buses. But it would be so much better if it could route to buses 1 3 5 and not L LC LR again this is a messy way of doing it.

Your correct in saying the SFP is a very solid foundation and the more I use it the more I learn how powerful the card and software is. I may be missing something here but the routing has to be made simpler to use for me to hire and sell these systems. Many of my clients will get very frustrated with the clumsy way it works. There is only a short amount of time to put on a show so patients are short. The interface has to relate to real world mixers and all the mixers I have ever used has the very simple facility of being able to route any input channel to any combination or all output buses.

I just find it so frustrating because I really believe that CW card could have a great a great future ahead of its self in the theatre world. But it has to get some basic stuff sorted with the Scope software and the A16 Ultra which I also think is a great product.

I guess only time will tell. 

Gary

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Mon Dec 05, 2005 1:53 pm

Well I'm not really familiar with theatre audio, and you haven't described an average setup (what are the sources, what are the destination, number of each, what kind of mixing/processing needs to be done,) but there's definitely some way of doing what you want.

You could just load several mixers, one for each destination, and automate them with MIDI. Then you could easily recall presets and control parameters on each of them, at the same time and/or in groups (by grouping them using MIDI channels,) without having the whole setup taking much more DSP than the STM mixers.

I don't know what would need sorting out routing-wise in the SFP system. It's not terribly different from a standard physical setup with cables, if you're familiar with hooking up cables you should have no problem working with SFP. The hard part is learning all the modules/devices, and they are all very well explained in the manuals.

On the other hand, a theatre-specific mixing device would probably be a pretty neat idea, but you'll need to provide much more information/specifications, i.e. number of sources, minimum number of outputs/destinations, infrastructure needed (volume, pan, inserts, auxs? how much inserts/auxs?), minimum number of channels, prefered interface presentation, specific hardware mixers that do the job (and no "every one I used" please, specific brand and models,) and any other quirks/particular signal-chain stuff that needs to be adressed.

garygiles · Post by **garygiles** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 3:23 pm

How did you put pics into your reply? then I can show you what I like in my mixer config.

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garygiles · Post by **garygiles** » Thu Dec 08, 2005 4:31 pm

Have a look at these this should help give you a better idea of what I'm looking for.

http://www.siegelmusic.de/siegelmusicdevices.html

These are dam clase to what I need. The only extra things I liked to see is 4 inserts on each inpup, a lable window for inputs and outputs. 2 Inserts for the outputs. 24 Aux's would be good to.

symbiote · Post by **symbiote** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 9:26 am

Alright, I'll look into it. Can't promise anything, I'm still pretty SDK-newbie and I'll be away for most of the month, but I might hack something together early next year.

As for the images, I just put them on some webspace I have and used [img] tags

garygiles · Post by **garygiles** » Sat Dec 10, 2005 10:28 am

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On 2005-12-10 09:26, symbiote wrote:
Alright, I'll look into it. Can't promise anything, I'm still pretty SDK-newbie and I'll be away for most of the month, but I might hack something together early next year.

I too hope to start learning how to use SDKvery soon and to be able to produce my own devices.