I'm not going to the USA anymore.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 3:54 pm

alfonso!
on target.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:00 pm

You should ignore allof this " law ", as it doesn't apply to people who go about their lives in a happy, peaceful, law abiding way. Our constitution was made for 2000,000 people, not 285,000,000 people. The wild West, and Wyatt Earp had the right idea. When the law gets broken, those who break it become broken. Plain and simple talk. Hell our supposed politicians break the laws more than me and my family ever have or will. Come visit me in Las Vegas, I will show you that freedom is here to stay. You want to buy drugs, no problem, you need a fine ho for a night, no problem. I love the state of Nevada, for we have very few politicians, and while there is an abundance of lawyers, we have no need for many of them. There are so many, you can actually barter them down to peanuts if you need representation. My fiancee has sold her business, and only retains the cash flow of her dance school, which is by word of mouth, and cash only. This is true business, and freedom. Check the off topic thread for the Merlin MIDI light controller for a picture of one of her choreographers out of many. She is 47 years old, supremely talented, and moonlights as an escort for conventions. In any other state someone would quote the bible, or say she has broken the law. Here in Nevada she gets awards for her services. I simply applaud her when she dances, as there are no humans in the world as limber, and fine as her. I will sub her out for a small comission.at the NAMM show this Janurary at the UE booth perhaps. In California, I would be breaking the law in that Socialistic state next door to me, that's why we will do the contracting by verbal agreement in Nevada before I transport her across that semi communist border. The Wild West is the only way for me and my familia!!!

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:02 pm

Well i'm glad darkrezin cleared up the fact that i'm stupid. Unlike all those people who believe in a 2000 year old book of dubious authorship reciting the story of a bloke who was born to a virgin, came back to life after dying and in fact was God all the time. What was i thinking?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:04 pm

scope4live, do you think you could resize that picture please?Blimey.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 4:51 pm

Mr A - OK those were rather strong words... Dawkins just annoys me quite heavily. It's really not hard to say what he's saying.. it astounds me that his book is a best seller.

Personally I see nothing behind US imperialism other than sheer greed and desire to sieze power and exert control. It's exactly the same thing that has driven every act of war and imperialism throughout history. Religion was a factor in the mindset perhaps, and a way of exerting mind control over subjects, but I think rather more heavy factor was the fact that the people involved were absolutely selfish and didn't give a fuck about killing and raping people for money and power.

Today IMHO we have exactly the same thing, except that the control systems aren't about religion at all, it's more about asking the population - "are you comfortable? if so, then you have to support this system because if you don't every comfort that you value in your little lives will disappear into chaos". It's also totally based on selfishness, the fundamentalist Christian angle is coincidental, and is just symptomatic of how primitive and voracious these reptiles are.

I actually think that western politics are *way* more atheist than religious. Everything revolves around money, stealing and killing people (capitalism, imperialism and war). Whatever you think about Christian ideology, surely when all the 10 commandments are broken you can definitely say that western politics is NOT religious? The religious stuff is just a ritualistic smokescreen as deceptive as the Bohemian Grove antics. People get caught up in it and forget what the fuck is actually happening.

Amongst all this talk of religious dogma and politics, the real meaning behind any religion is lost. This is simply the importance of love. Fundamentalist religion in politics reduces life to a technicality, and so does atheism and atheist politics that we see today - relentless frenzied pursuit of money in any way possible. Western capitalism is just as cancerous on the face of the planet as communism, fascism and fundamentalist islam.

Liquid Len · Post by **Liquid Len** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:23 pm

Liquid Len wrote:
garyb wrote:good point there, but there are high jinks and low jinks.
you know that orwell worked for british intelligence and the the book was originally titled "1948", right? what year is it anyway, winston?

How were the interests of british intelligence served by the publishing of this book?

Or what was the point of (mentioning) his connection with British Intelligence? Did you mean something else? It gave him insight into the workings of inner power?

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:25 pm

Brotha' Man Mr.Ark.,
I am lucky I can even send a picture. My knowledge of computers is lame, but I am learning to snap pics of the beauties that surround me. GaryB will give me a short crash course in a couple weeks, so I can show you guys just how nice the USA really is. We don't wanna kill eveyone all the time, we would eather jam and dance and feast like there's no tomorrow. Modern day Babylon baby.
I shall continue the pics at a smaller size from now on, my fiancee will help me for she must now also pose. She has taught me how to type and turn on the computer, so you see I am in good hands.

Trick Or Treat,
Happy Halloween from a laptop in Disnetworld!!

I tried it on the above post, but it sucked. I shall cease until further lessons are learned. WJ will not like this w/o supervision.

Post by **garyb** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:27 pm

orwell wrote about what he knew as reality.
nobody finds it strange that the book's real title is 1948?
either some need to read the book again or double think is running even deeper than i thought....

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:32 pm

I actually think that western politics are *way* more atheist than religious. Everything revolves around money, stealing and killing people

Woah, there you go again. Someone who doesn't believe in god has no morals. QED. WTF is that thinking? i treat people a lot better than lots of so-called Christians or whatever religion and i've never felt the desire to kill, steal or rape oddly enough. And i live in the so-called West (dirty word to some i know).

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:39 pm

I thought I made it quite clear that I was talking about the politics...

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:43 pm

I thought I made it quite clear that I was talking about the politics..

What's the difference in that distinction? You're saying that atheist values = fucking people over.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:45 pm

I'm saying that the values of the western governments, which are to fuck people over (I'm not going to list the evidence here, there's just way too much), are more atheist than religious. They can't even follow the 10 commandments.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:49 pm

Who's 10 commandments?

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:50 pm

Let's put it this way, both Bush and Blair bang on about their Christian faith, yet it was this atheist that protested against the war in Iraq - i don't need any Commandments to tell me when something is wrong. Sorry you're still saying (obliquely) that atheism has no morals. That's bollocks.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:51 pm

Thou Shalt Use SFP
Thou Shall Not Covet Thy Neighbors DAW ( especially the soundblaster types )
etc.,etc.,etc.,etc.

Shroomz~> · Post by **Shroomz~>** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:53 pm

scope4live wrote:Brotha' Man Mr.Ark.,
I am lucky I can even send a picture. My knowledge of computers is lame, but I am learning to snap pics of the beauties that surround me. GaryB will give me a short crash course in a couple weeks, so I can show you guys just how nice the USA really is. We don't wanna kill eveyone all the time, we would eather jam and dance and feast like there's no tomorrow. Modern day Babylon baby.
I shall continue the pics at a smaller size from now on, my fiancee will help me for she must now also pose. She has taught me how to type and turn on the computer, so you see I am in good hands.

Trick Or Treat,
Happy Halloween from a laptop in Disnetworld!!

I tried it on the above post, but it sucked. I shall cease until further lessons are learned. WJ will not like this w/o supervision.

darkrezin · Post by **darkrezin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 5:57 pm

Re-read what I said in my posts. I don't feel I need to add anything to what I said there. If you don't feel the need to understand this point of view, I can't force you. I don't come on this forum to prove I'm right at all, you may take what you will from what I say.

All I'll say is if you think what I've said is an attack on you (which it wasn't), then I likewise should feel attacked when people say religious people are stupid and deluded.

The fact is that I don't, I'm quite happy in who I am and I don't give a flying fuck what people think of me or my beliefs - the only thing that is relevant is how those beliefs shape my actions in life in a positive way, I'm not concerned about anything else. All I wanted to do was to present another perspective on the issue.

alfonso · Post by **alfonso** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:14 pm

darkrezin wrote:
Amongst all this talk of religious dogma and politics, the real meaning behind any religion is lost. This is simply the importance of love. Fundamentalist religion in politics reduces life to a technicality, and so does atheism and atheist politics that we see today - relentless frenzied pursuit of money in any way possible. Western capitalism is just as cancerous on the face of the planet as communism, fascism and fundamentalist islam.

I don't know how to start.....with all the sympathy, respect and love I must say that in the few lines above there is exactly the opposite of what I think...hehe.

First of all there is not a "real meaning" that's lost in any religion, I say this because being a religious experience based on a belief, anyone could say that the meaning he has of it is the real one, and if it's lost how do you know? And if you know it's not lost, because it's your own meaning.

You identify atheism with the absence of morality, I firmly oppose this view.
Like Schopenauer used to say, the source of morality is compassion, and compassion comes directly from a mental function that is not related to supernatural beings or worlds, it can be felt by anyone who is capable to recognize himself in the others, i know many atheistrs who feel compassion and many more believers and religious people who can't feel any, real specialists in throwing stones and basically fearing the human nature in the various and alternative ways it can express itself.

All "-isms" are dangerous, as much as they are idols to hide behind.
The concept of "truth", when it's not intended as subjective, as a choice for yourself, is extremely dangerous, expecially if it meets a different "truth". Objective truth can't be discussed, the danger is there, there is no difference if it's a god, a family of gods, the sun, the state, the soviet,the army.....it always has generated wars.

The reason, in my opinion, is in the fact that the vast majority of those who believe in supernatural worlds just do it because of the anguish generated by the idea of an end. The fact that they are not tolerant and cool with atheists even if they should because they have their way for salvation, is proportionate to their fear and revealing the poor depth of their thoughts. Anyone who thinks in a different way is a threat to them, "he must be evil".

I think that the peak in the whole history of the absence of any compassion and tolerance can be found in faiths and worships, and this from the very beginning of history, from when things have been written down for posterity.

Therefore I would be cautious to make statements about atheism and religion in relation with morality and compassion, because as far as I can remember from my studies 99% of the slaughters, slavery, alive widows burning, stoning and torture of the ill considered as possessed by the devils and such nice things have been made by religious people, not atheists in disguise, but really believing people, in many many centuries.

The difference should be made between good and bad people, you can find them in any religion and in atheists too.

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:14 pm

If you don't feel the need to understand this point of view, I can't force you.

I'm saying that the values of the western governments, which are to fuck people over (...) are more atheist than religious.

Sorry, what is it that i'm not understanding? You're clearly saying that that western governments are behaving atheistically (if that's a word) which you equate as being amoral. The counter-argument would be that if they were behaving religiously then they would somehow be these beacons of political morallity. Well sod that, the UK and US governments are firmly Christian - but oddly enough not all Chrisitans behave morally or amorally. You're using the word 'atheist' to equal 'amoral' which is a huge generalisation, and as an atheist (by most people's definitions, not mine, i hate being pigeon-holed into an -ism) i do feel personally affronted because you are putting me under that same umbrella.

To paraphrase:
I don't give a flying fuck what people think of me or my non-beliefs - the only thing that is relevant is how those non-beliefs shape my actions in life in a positive way,

Phew, sorry for the rant chaps, it is late here in ole London town (lucky we're not drunk in a pub discussing this, hey?)

Mr (Call me Stupid) Arkadin

PS. i like that smaller picture you put up scope4live.

dawman · Post by **dawman** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 6:16 pm

Thou Shall Not Post Pictures W/O proper authority and skill
Thou Shalt Bang All Fine Ho's
Thou Shall Not Give Spanish Fly To Undreaged Girls

I am going to try a classier picture of the proper size next time.