XTC Cubase with Vista

[craighuddy]

... Steve Jobs is certainly no better the Uncle Bill IMO.

Apple seems to be getting on the virii train quite nicely as well as their popularity gains. ....

the dudes nicely complement each other, though I doubt it matters much after one's income crosses the 2-figure-million border...
but S.J. looked a lot better in those videos from the 80s now on YouTube

on your 2nd point I have to disagree - the original MacOS had to do all it's tricks in a tiny memory space of (say) 128 KiloBytes - yes, OS, application, data...
it really worked, even with M$ Word (version1.x) I could edit a 50 page document in 20 kbytes of ram, of course that wasn't exactly flying - but workable.
You can imagine what kind of memory management is required to successfully get along with such a task, and the respective section of the original development documentation is still worth a look...
The rigid purge and allocation of memory blocks made it effectively impossible for a self-referencing routine to even survive a millisecond.
Otherwise (so the memory manager wouldn't shovel it around) it would have to take a form that makes it quickly identifyable and rermovable - there have been one or 2 attempts in this direction in the 80s.
The rest of the Mac malware was... you guessed it... M$ Office macro bs

btw, I ran a dozen Macs with a internet connection without a firewall and a virus checker for 6 years or so... and one of my applications used an Oracle database driver released in 1988 under MacOS6 which ran on ALL versions of the MacOS until it finally surrendered to Tiger... unmodified, out of the box, everyday office use.
Do I have to mention that the Windows version of the very same driver didn't even make it for much more than a couple of years

cheers, Tom

Hey Tom,

OK, let me be more specific, OSX is starting to see malware. I think the original OS is far less at risk because of the architecture. I am sure that what made it safe though must have limited it on other ends, thus the switch to "pretty UNIX" in OSX. No way to know though. Steve doesn't send me memos


So Apple never touched thier code in 6 years, well, as stated, until OSX their code because of limitations made it pretty safe. Plus having a tiny microscopic marketshare made it really not that attractive to hackers. If you are going to destroy computers with one app, would you like to affect 92% of the population or 5%?

As we see Apple gaining popularitity, albeit small, we are seeing them changing code to protect themselves. They are just a smaller MS IMO.
They are here to sell you an OS ( and computer in Apples case) . They only want you to open your wallet.

[craighuddy]

I've had XP running on this PIII on a 64mb stick of PC100. Lets see you do that with asta la vista

I ran 95 on a 80386 with 4MB. Lets see you do that on XP.

So does that mean 95 is better? I think not...

[astroman]

...They are here to sell you an OS ( and computer in Apples case) . They only want you to open your wallet.

yes, I absolutely agree on that - and this was also the motivation for them to abandon their own OS in favour of a unix version.
No need to get memos from Steve - if a system can be used for 6 years without significant restrictions, there's something awefully wrong in business context for the supplier...

But their original code base was far from limited - as you can tell by it's performance under OSX where it's emulated in 'classic mode' - I run a version of Quark XPress on a G4 MacMini for compatibility's sake.

...having a tiny microscopic marketshare made it really not that attractive to hackers. If you are going to destroy computers with one app, would you like to affect 92% of the population or 5%?

I'd choose the 5% if I could hit the New York Times that way

btw there once was a very 'smart' piece of malware on the original MacOS:
it looked up LaserWriter printers on the network and dumped a small postscript file which altered the master password (which noone used anyway) of the interpreter - which is about the same as shutting off your PC's power when flashing the bios
No way to reset the thing - it had to be sent to service, ouch.
But the presence of the respective piece of code was easy to track - and eventually it was more of an Adobe problem

Honestly, I've developed for years under that OS and I've been quite familiar with a disassembler, too - there is no way you could hide and execute a piece of code.
You'd at least have to lock a memory structure and access the toolbox trap routines - both steps are easy to identify.
There is no way for the 'classic' buffer overflow attempt, as the memory manager would either crash immediately with a full reset or the respective routine would be purged within the next few execution steps.

I'm far from turning back the wheels of time - this IS past and gone.
But it shouldn't be forgotten that there WAS indeed a way for a fairly 'safe' computing environment, and those bold keynote statements on both sides of the big software suppliers are pure hypocracy.
As you said - it's the wallet they're after, and Steven learned quite some tricks from Bill

cheers, Tom

[craighuddy]

[ those bold keynote statements on both sides of the big software suppliers are pure hypocracy.
As you said - it's the wallet they're after, and Steven learned quite some tricks from Bill

cheers, Tom

Oh of that we are in 100% agreement

CH

[djsainz]

LOL... My poor thread, all I originally wanted was to see if anyone could of have got Vista to run XTC on Cubase. Not a war between MS and Apple users.

I apologise if it was me that incited it. But in the long run you must admit that as XP dies off and Vista takes over in the next couple of years or so a Creamware driver must be developed for Vista, as all new PC's made from now on will probably now come with a Vista OS pre installed or many users that build a new machine will probably not want to get XP. It will at least carry the Creamware legacy for another 5 years minimum.

[astroman]

LOL... My poor thread, all I originally wanted was to see if anyone could of have got Vista to run XTC on Cubase. Not a war between MS and Apple users....

I don't think there was even much disagreement, but I admit I had my doubts to bring up this old stuff.
Yet I found the similiarity between Apple and M$ worth mentioning, in particular as it's the same story that marketing on both sides is telling...
bottom line is both could have done better, but it would spoil the follow-up sales, so they leave it as is

cheers, Tom