Incredible, amazing, awesome Apple

[kensuguro]

hehe.. funny thing with apple's stuff is.. basically the message boils down to:

"be original. go apple. Like everybody in the US!!"

expressing unique identity by blending into group identity. lol. what a joke.

you do know that the apple fad is most prominent in the US.... right? less so elsewhere.

[Neutron]

hehe.. funny thing with apple's stuff is.. basically the message boils down to:

"be original. go apple. Like everybody in the US!!"

expressing unique identity by blending into group identity. lol. what a joke.

you do know that the apple fad is most prominent in the US.... right? less so elsewhere.

so if you are apple owner + "alternative rock" fan and ride a "fixie" bike then you must be a real unique individual!
oh i forgot the barbed wire tattoo around the upper arm.

[valis]

...or maybe you just use Logic (and finally gve up on 5.51)

[valis]

But if you still use Logic and want to take advantage of modern hardware...

[valis]

And if you're not in the cult of Mac but need to do this to access Logic?

(Then you're not only the butt of jokes for 'windoze lusers' but also of Apple executives eh)

[braincell]

If Steve Jobs wasn't such a dick maybe most people would be using Logic. He isn't interested in their money.

Beyonce made the best music sequencer of all time!

[valis]

Actually I doubt more people would be using Logic. In fact I somewhat wish Apple wasn't trying to turn it into iLogic for the masses, if less effort went to addressing issues from people who want to be able to use the application instantly without reading the manual and learning the basics some of the more egregarious & longstanding bugs might have been fixed...

I'm still waiting for the day that Jobs is no longer in control and the Mac brand separates from the iTunes store & iPhone/iPod line due to the vast imbalances in profitability there...

[decimator]

Something awesome !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L2fsubA2-c

[braincell]

At the time I was considering switching to Logic, it was the consensus that it was better than Cubase. Neither program would be easy to learn for the novice user, although Logic did seem very complex when I looked at it. I didn't know Apple was dumbing down Logic. Isn't that their way though? They love to point out how easy their products are. That's because they don't give you as many options. It's the computer company for average people. I think they also cater more to women with their pretty colors. That's one of their "advantages." Now Microsoft is copying the busy crappy GUI design.

[valis]

Apple & MS both copies the GUI from Xerox/PARC, and neither have a truly perfect UI imo because they will tend to change certain conventions just so that it isn't "the same" as the other guy, and then make a big deal out of how their conventions are 'more correct'.

Also I don't think Apple has 'dumbed down' Logic in the sense that the power features that I enjoy (environment especially) are still there, and there are things that have been added that are also quite powerful. But the focus on making it more accessible to new users (who don't want to read the full manual) certainly hasn't pushed the app as far as it could have been had the development speed Emagic used to have continued. Of course it seems like Emagic was at a financial crossroads, so if they hadn't been bought it's also possible that we wouldn't have had any further versions of Logic.

Also in my observation Cubase & Sonar haven't really fared all that much better. Cubase users seem to get the shaft just as much as Logic users do when it comes to major upgrades to drive new sales & upgrade fees (versus focusing on making the existing version BUG FREE.) Cubase does seem to have improved its audio handling a lot in the last few versions, perhaps finally put the cpu spiking issues to bed (that plagued the first 3 versions) and has a better windowing system than before.

Honestly though I think that the application you use isn't the only thing that determines results, and regardless of application someone with talent and enough focus should be able to make music that's great with ANY of the modern DAW offerings. Also the tethering that the music industry has done to be connected to the computer/tech industry's 9-12 month product cycles is not necessarily conducive to being a productive musician/producer imo. I don't know about the rest of you, but I find I'm more productive with tools that are stable and that I know well. Although I do enjoy having new features & hardware to inspire me as well, I think that you can get caught up in the act of 'consuming' new stuff without actually doing much worthwhile with all of it.

And whether you look to Apple for your iDentity or need to defend the castle you've constructed with your Steinberg or Cycling 74 purchase (or whatever) to feel a sense of self-worth....

[netguyjoel]

When one would think about it (from a historical perspective) there are SO MANY artists that have done much MORE, with less (to echo valis). Examples (from my own caveman point of view) I would look at the electronic Godfathers of the industry...Front 242, Skinny Puppy, Depeche Mode, Erasure, Frontline Assembly, etc etc. Sampling with an Ensoniq Mirage, an Emulator II, and others using other hardware, that would mostly be considered junk by today's standard...paved the way for many of us..just evaluate the results for yourself...I really don't think I'm far off the mark on this one, & If I am, I know I will be corrected...