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yes this thing rocks! just got it linked into my system tonight, what a great performance tool.

If one should purchase an iPad only to run Lemur, what would the requirements be? 2nd, 3rd or 4th generation? 16, 32 or 64 GB RAM?

16gb 2nd generation is more then fine. but a midi kit to get wired midi connection is more or less mandatory for live work. for testing and hacking the wireless works fine. but its sloppy.


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Egil Hasting

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I have a 2nd gen 16gb. It doesn't skip a beat. I think 1st gen may even be ok. But the 2nd gen supports the most recent iOS 6, so it's not missing anything when it comes to software support. In fact, the newer iPads have similar processors, with similar performance, they just made the graphics better (retina display), which required more GPU graphics processing performance.

I have an Alesis ioDock, which is pretty nice. But a "Camera Kit" (even from a third party) works just fine to get a USB port, and to that you can connect any USB/MIDI interface that is class compliant (doesn't require special drivers). see a list here (a long list!):
http://iosmidi.com/devices/

One drawback of the Apple Camera Kit is that it uses the 30-pin connector, which means you can't have the iPad powered or charging at the same time. Some third party device fix this, having a USB host port, and a power port.

If you want to go beyond MIDI and use OSC, then you have to stick to wireless, and creating an ad-hoc network that is just between an iPad and your laptop is far more reliable than to a shared network router.

Been using the iPad as a controller for a while now... Mostly Touchable for Ableton Live, as it is excellent and comprehensive (better than Griid in my opinion), but I have recently taken up Lemur as well, to make custom control surfaces for whatever is necessary.

I have a 1st generation 16 GB iPad, using iOS 4.3, and it works pretty well with Lemur and Touchable... Reason for this is that, by jailbreaking the device, you can use the iPad as a MIDI/OSC controller via low-latency USB, instead of having to use Wi-Fi or an add-on MIDI interface... As I only use the iPad for books and MIDI, never felt the need to upgrade And it is a good benchmark, as it is the least powerful iPad ever made

I'm very interested in the Prodissey template, anybody know if it will work with a Klangbox?

I don't see why not. You might have to edit some of the midi-stuff in the template to match the klangbox, but that is fairly easy in the lemur editor.

ehasting wrote:16gb 2nd generation is more then fine. but a midi kit to get wired midi connection is more or less mandatory for live work. for testing and hacking the wireless works fine. but its sloppy.


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Egil Hasting

Hmmm, I ran it thru a wireless hub and it seemed very responsive though I didn't really task it heavily, just assigned a couple of cc's to Prodyssey and ran a couple of the presets in Lemur. Got a little distracted playing music after that.
Here are the specs I used:
3rd gen ipad, 5g network connection hub
Lemur Daemon on PC thru USB to Unitor 8 out to Xite-1 midi in.
Ran midi-ox on PC to control Unitor 8 for keyboard out to Xite-1 midi in
DAW was Reaper


all worked well together.

Regards, Dan

When you write OSC, I have a feeling you refer to something else than oscillators. Please enlighten me

Tau wrote:I have a 1st generation 16 GB iPad, using iOS 4.3, and it works pretty well with Lemur and Touchable... Reason for this is that, by jailbreaking the device, you can use the iPad as a MIDI/OSC controller via low-latency USB, instead of having to use Wi-Fi or an add-on MIDI interface

How does this work? Are you saying that you can make the iPad1 do something that later iPads can not?

Immanuel wrote:How does this work? Are you saying that you can make the iPad1 do something that later iPads can not?

Not at all... I think any jailbroken iPad can do this... Thing is, it's a somewhat complex process (or at least it used to be), I did it once and don't feel like going through it again. Never felt the need to, anyway.

I think it's a shame Apple doesn't allow you to use the networking abilities of the iPad via USB (tethered) straight out of the box... I have tried Touchable and other MIDI apps via WiFi and it's certainly more lagging. This way, I can turn off WiFi on my laptop, and have a perfectly stable connection to the iPad.

yayajohn wrote:

ehasting wrote:16gb 2nd generation is more then fine. but a midi kit to get wired midi connection is more or less mandatory for live work. for testing and hacking the wireless works fine. but its sloppy.


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Egil Hasting

Hmmm, I ran it thru a wireless hub and it seemed very responsive though I didn't really task it heavily, just assigned a couple of cc's to Prodyssey and ran a couple of the presets in Lemur. Got a little distracted playing music after that.
Here are the specs I used:
3rd gen ipad, 5g network connection hub
Lemur Daemon on PC thru USB to Unitor 8 out to Xite-1 midi in.
Ran midi-ox on PC to control Unitor 8 for keyboard out to Xite-1 midi in
DAW was Reaper


all worked well together.

Regards, Dan

For normal single CC control of a synth the Lemur can do it over wireless. But the Lemur can also behave like a sequencer, or you can use the Lemur to generate wild LFO animation which you send over CC.. or heck.. even over Sysex. Its in this kind of scenarios wireless gets weak.

Immanuel wrote:When you write OSC, I have a feeling you refer to something else than oscillators. Please enlighten me

OSC stands for Open Sound Control, which among many things, allows for high definition control data, where midi doesn't give you more than 128 steps on each parameter.

It's a control freaks wet dream come true

http://opensoundcontrol.org/introduction-osc

Unfortunately Scope does not support OSC. We might see this step forward with Scope 6 though or at least the opportunity to implement OSC in the device of your choice if I understand the details released about Scope 6 correctly.

ehasting wrote:

yayajohn wrote:

ehasting wrote:16gb 2nd generation is more then fine. but a midi kit to get wired midi connection is more or less mandatory for live work. for testing and hacking the wireless works fine. but its sloppy.


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Egil Hasting

Hmmm, I ran it thru a wireless hub and it seemed very responsive though I didn't really task it heavily, just assigned a couple of cc's to Prodyssey and ran a couple of the presets in Lemur. Got a little distracted playing music after that.
Here are the specs I used:
3rd gen ipad, 5g network connection hub
Lemur Daemon on PC thru USB to Unitor 8 out to Xite-1 midi in.
Ran midi-ox on PC to control Unitor 8 for keyboard out to Xite-1 midi in
DAW was Reaper


all worked well together.

Regards, Dan

For normal single CC control of a synth the Lemur can do it over wireless. But the Lemur can also behave like a sequencer, or you can use the Lemur to generate wild LFO animation which you send over CC.. or heck.. even over Sysex. Its in this kind of scenarios wireless gets weak.

Ah, ok I will expect to have the same results when I dig in further. The second factory preset in Lemur was a star shaped modulation and seemed to modulate 2 cc's and it worked pretty smoothly the joystick part worked well too. That is as far as I got that night though. Was it a random stickiness or disconnect symptoms?

I really wish they release this for Android.Atm i am using TouchOSC for Midi and Reactable for Soundprocessing on my Galaxy s3 and it is so good fun!

I agree. But Android hasn't come up with a solid MIDI or sound implementation yet. Once Apple had done CoreSound providing a backbone for music, things took off like crazy, and now we have things from Moog and Wolfgang Palm and Liine/Lemur to play with.

But Android has a better network stack, and far cheaper and available devices (around the world). It would be nice to see an apple alternative.

I would love it so much, if this thing could run straight on the same PC as my Xite-1, with no tablet, just a nice 22" touch screen

I've been looking for the same thing a 22" touch screen. No software needed, just grab scope directly and go!

Or, use wouterz (a member here) editor to build some nice control templates.
GestureSpark Multitouch Controller http://www.gesturespark.com

They are not that expensive. A lot cheaper than an iPad anyway.

http://www.iiyama.com/gl_en/products/to ... view:tiles

considering http://www.iconnectivity.com/iConnectMIDI for my Ipad... the +4 supports midi over ethernet as well !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ed33GUJcO0

anyone using lemur to control S|C's mixer like STM2448?