Can't get rid of damn clicks!

eliam · Post by **eliam** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 6:30 pm

Nope, my piano is not looped, it would sound pretty weird on notes lasting more than a few seconds...

Yes, Subhuman, I'm checking my things... I have a few problems with my internet connection, that's why I'm slow to answer...
Thanks to assist me!

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 8:03 pm

oh my god...... clicking cliking.............. damn.....
have to record more than 2 or 3 times..... always

dxl · Post by **dxl** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 8:03 pm

oh my god...... clicking cliking.............. damn.....
have to record more than 2 or 3 times..... always

my system: (plz give me some clue, why clicking)

P4 1.4G
850pro motherboard
256RDRAM
kyro I 32ram
40G hardd drive 7200RPM 100mb/sec
Cubase 32vst 5.1
Pulsar2 v3.01

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EarlyFirst · Post by **EarlyFirst** » Fri Feb 01, 2002 11:02 pm

Hey dxl,

do you only have 1 drive?

and I'm sure you checked that DMA was correct.
remember that supposed 100mb's burst speed is only 1way.... not 2ways at a time so if your playing back while recording it's much less.

Also make sure that nothing is running in the background>check msconfig>startup

Tony B · Post by **Tony B** » Sun Feb 10, 2002 9:11 am

I am using a system similar to Eliam's but with a Luna 11 card. I was hearing some clicks when I played on my keyboard so I just loaded some more source modules and it stopped. There is something here I believe has to do with velocity. Try recording a track from a CD or player, play it back and see if it continues.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Feb 10, 2002 1:52 pm

I used to have the clicks and I no longer do. Here is a list of things I did. I can't tell you which one solved the problem.

First of all I had an IRQ conflict. Please note that you may have a conflict and it might not be listed as a problem in your device manager. Since the conflict was with my SCSI card and people in this group said that SCSI slows down the PCI bus, I removed it and put it in another computer. I also set my BIOS so all my creamware cards would be using the same IRQ, in my case IRQ 9 which was formerly used by the SCSI card. I also set it to reserve that IRQ. I set the PCI latency to 128 (it was 32), this setting can only be used if all cards are creamware (excluding AGP). Since I did all that I have had no problem with clicks or pops. I'm using an ASUS CUSL2 with an Intel P933 with 512 megs of RAM because CW said that was a good board to use with their cards. The ULL setting I am currently using is 4ms at 44.1 KHZ. I can run an STS4000, and 3 STS 2000 plus the bix mixer, masterverb and various other modules with no clicks or pops.

braincell · Post by **braincell** » Sun Feb 10, 2002 2:06 pm

One further note. This is very important. For me the latency was not acceptable under Win2K. I asked Creamware about it and they said the performance was best under Windows 98SE and I'm using 98LITE which makes it even faster. After owning Creamware cards since the initial Pulsar quite some time ago. This is the first time in my life that I am truly happy. My heart goes out to the people with clicks and pops. I know how annoying that can be and it's not accpetable, even if it's only one pop an hour it can ruin a mixdown.

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:09 pm

I had my first click and pop problem just recently. Turns out it was the new harddrive.
I bought 2 seagate barracuda 7200 ata100 20 GB drives, one for the server and one as an audio drive on the pulsar system. Already had a IBM 15GB 75GXP 7200 ata100 drive for audio and a crap 5400rpm ide for the os (this setup had worked very well though), so i wanted to use the ibm for os and the seagate for audio. Ended up using the seagate for the os and the ibm for audio again! The seagate was giving me clicks and pops for very low track count.

The seagates run fine for normal os stuff and are very fast, but evidently they don't work too well for streaming audio in my case.

cusl2-c
pIII
512MB CAS 2 ram
Dual geforce 2 MX

subhuman · Post by **subhuman** » Mon Feb 11, 2002 4:15 pm

Seagates are the best IDE drives for streaming media you can get - among the quietest and the best sustained data rate.
I also like Maxtor drives and IBM makes good ones too (lets not talk about the 75GXPs tho). But the Barracuda IVs are definitely my favorite, and I have hands on experience with all the drives except the latest IBM 120GXP and the newer liquid bearing Maxtors. I'll try those sometime. I also have a 60 channel 44.1/16 bit project that runs without glitches on my Seagate Barracuda IV...

marcuspocus · Post by **marcuspocus** » Tue Feb 12, 2002 8:57 am

Hey !!! So, maybe eliam's problem lies in is hardisk? I'm still trying to help i'm, we're getting desperate... Hey, Eliam, what brand is your harddisk? What speed (RPM is 5400 or 7200), how much cache it got?

I'll lend you a harddisk to test all of this if you want... Call me!

emenelton · Post by **emenelton** » Tue Feb 12, 2002 9:40 am

Some network cards make cyclical pollings on the PCI bus which will cause this, disable. Turn off hardware accel. of graphic card. Turn off USB. Slow done your SCSI card(or remove it). I had good looking waveforms in Nuendo that played back with a 1 per second clicking, which was my 3com parrallel(sp) tasking nic. My B4 playback was messed up, which was graphic hardware accel or the scsi deal, I'm not sure which, I disable both of them and the B4 playback cleaned up. If your clicking is more widely space initialy, meaning that playback goes for ten or twenty seconds cleanly and then starts clicking, that could be a virtual memory setting. Windows uses ram and then spills to your hard drive back and forth, each time it switches from ram to disk and back again you hear a click. Setting a fixed virtual memory size forces windows to stream directly off of the hard drive.

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Tue Feb 12, 2002 5:25 pm

The 2 seagate 20GB drives I have maybe faulty? It took over 30 mins to format an 11GB partition whereas the IBM took around 7 mins to format 15GB. They are also noisier than the IBM but not by much.

I'm certainly not suggesting that seagate drives are no good. Just that in my case the new hardrive was the cause of the problem although at first glance it wasn't obvious i.e. they seem to run fine when used for normal use (non audio streaming) and the os boots up very fast.

bassdude · Post by **bassdude** » Tue Feb 12, 2002 6:09 pm

PS Not all drives in IBM's 75GXP range were problematic. They got their bad rap from the 45GB vers which had a high failure rate. The lower capacity drives did not suffer this problem. Hence why my lowly 15GB drive is still running

vascomusic · Post by **vascomusic** » Thu Feb 14, 2002 7:25 pm

Ones again...Pops 'n Clicks !!

Setup:

Pulsar PC:
Intel PIII 700, Mobo Asus P2B(440BX),512mb SDRAM,IBM GXP60 40gb ,Matrox 400DH, LAN adapter
2 x Pulsar II v3.01 (ADAT masterclock), connected to sequencer via MIDI

Sequencer PC (Logic 4.81):
Intel PIII 733, Mobo Asus P2B-F(440BX),512mb SDRAM, IBM GXP60 40gb ,Matrox 450DH, Matrox Millenium II PCI, LAN adapter, SBlive! (Kx Project driver

), RME Digi9636 Hammerfall(ADAT slave clock), Adaptec 2904CD SCSI Adapter.

2 x Yamaha O2R v2.16 (4 x ADAT, 2 x TC Unity FX boards, both ADAT-slaveclock)
Emagic AMT8
Roland midi masterkeyboard
Rode Classic (1)
Genelec 1030A

On the Pulsar PC we have a dualboot system:
-Primary Partition 1 = Win Millenium with Pulsar v2.04
(STS4000,POISON,Modular 2)
-Primary Partition 2 = Win XP with Pulsar v3.01
(STS4000,POISON,Modular 2)

The RME Hammerfall and the 2 Pulsar's are connected to 2 O2R's via ADAT optical cables which works absolutely fine under Win ME + Pulsar v2.04 , except for WinXP+Pulsar v3.01.....we get hard ticks and pops in our sound (randomized)...

Here's our XP+P2v3.01 tweak summary:
- ULLI: latency = 18ms, we've also tried other latency settings, but same problem.
- Preload buffer (hardware properties of Pulsar) tried all modes (low, mid,high).....same problem
- Sample Rate = 48khz, 44.1khz.....same problem
- Video display settings: 2 monitors set to 1024/768@75hz, 16bit color

So it seems to be a software problem of v3.xx. I meantime i've discovered the STS samplers (4000, 2000P) are the evil source..... all synths are fine.

By the way: we never have had a PCI overflow with our motherboard (ASUS P2B/440BX)

Please anybody !! Please help us !!!!

thanx
Miguel Vasconcellos