Info about the release of SCOPE XITE-1 and SCOPE 5

[nprime]

I can understand that.

[David]

having witnessed a working Xite at NAMM back in January - so it DOES exist.

I saw a box on the vids and I saw some clicking on a computer screen; I am aware that a competent person can knock up a GUI and a metal box with sockets in it. Apart from that all I've seen has been promises and pictures, and all I've read from people who've seen it is that they didn't really get to test it out or to check it's limits, for one reason or another (too much other noise, etc) It could just be some 15dsp scope cards chucked in a box for all I know with a slightly different GUI and a different hardware interface.

But what would be the reasoning behind that crazy thinking, as it has been pointed out, finances are an issue, whatever you do in this world.

I have faith in Xite to be honest because I am teased by such a grand concept. To think I can finally get to expand the voicing of devices I already have and build massive modulars let alone the new stuff that's promised to come. The idea of it is mind blowing and I find I'm getting Xited and impatient for this product too. But I can't think of a similar product which can compete with it competently or I would be at that site wanting that equipment.

Though, I am aware that other equipment I've bought over the years and devices I've purchased have been forgotton or sold/thrown out or not touched in years (even though I probably should use them ) eg. my Roland SH09. Other software devices I had to stop using because they don't support my platform but I could always fire up an old machine because I still kept them, I have my old Amiga 512 still. But I wonder what the point is because I replaced them all with Pulsar/Scope cards and I'm still using them today. I'm even buying new devices created by truely pioneering developers for the platform which sound astounding to my ears. I can't say that for any other piece of technology I've owned.

Modern technology can be a whirlwind of money absorbance and keeping up with the neighbours, the bureaucracy behind it all provides work for millions of people.

But here it seems to me that we have a company that doesn't just want to sell me a box with flashing lights that I'll be throwing away next week when the new stuff comes out.

I realise all this technological development which Sonic-Core states is possible, it's just electronics and software engineering. But when I look back over history I see it's only been 14 yrs since windows 95 and 14 years before that MSDOS 1.0 was released. I don't remember much music that was made on that platform let alone a musical movement nor a cutting edge studio environment.

So I wait, as technology is in its infancy, with the promise of great new stuff to come knowing I couldn't build a similar studio or piece of kit for what Sonic-Core is proffering.

'See a need, fill a need' - to quote Bigweld, and it seems this is what Sonic-Core are about to do.

[firubbi]

true that 1 and 3months are gone. BUT what can we do about it? sc is doing their best i believe. ALSO im/we_are expecting THE Best sound is coming compare to others(tc,ssl stuffs ..)

and the most important part is IF SC thinks the quality is like before or a little bit better i think they should take another year and do something with the Quality..
thanks

[garyb]

it's real.
i was the one touching it, and it WAS working.
i can't say that i'm not concerned, but i do know that the delays have been, whether through the blunders of life's learning processes or through no fault of anyone's or because of other entities' doings, normal in the situations that the developers have found themselves in. in other words, they ARE working dilligently as far as i can tell.

i would guess that as annoyed and uncomfortable as we all are with the wait, that Holger and Jurgen are more uncomfortable. unfortunately, all we can really do is wait. we can't help. in fact, Scope itself was a miracle. Holger and Jurgen did what hadn't been done before to get all those dsps working in the way that they do. the XITE is something that even A/D didn't know if it would work or not. i loaded working devices. it worked, but there were still some unfinished modules and details(for instance, there's no sync to 88.1khz. when this was pointed out to have always been missing from Scope, they WANTED to check into it and add it, if possible). this is absolutely the cutting edge of dsp technology(even if it's not the latest dsps), there has been a GROUND UP rewrite of Scope although the GUI is virtually unchanged, so although the user will hardly notice, the program is very different than before. there are BOUND to be nasty bugs to be exterminated, especially as last minute additions are made to reflect the needs and desires of the users(yes, they may not say much, but they do listen. i believe almost all of the changes suggested by planetZ when XITE was first announced were implemented into the unit slated for production).

as i said, i'm really concerned about the wait, i don't want to see anything but a successful launch, i know that Holger and Jurgen(and John and Goffe) have invested their futures into this and i really want them to be rewarded for their work(and success), not to mention that i want v5 and XITE, so i'm doing my best to maintain a good attitude. i agree that the wait can get so long as to be disastrous but we haven't been damaged by S/C. JV demanded that S/C take the money...

[siriusbliss]

it's real.
i was the one touching it, and it WAS working.

Yup, and I have video to prove it - no special effects.

I turned on synths, and moved modules, and adjusted faders, and opened (unregistered) effects <ahem>...

Sayin' my prayers for the guys over these next few months for a successful Messe.

Greg

[David]

Ok guys, I believe it to be real. (no j/k)

It's going to be unreal

[firubbi]

it is real... who said its fake?

[Refrochia]

The recent addition of the demo facility is a wise one - interesting timing as well - almost like they are expecting an influx of new users who dont know the scope sound.....

[Sounddesigner]

The recent addition of the demo facility is a wise one - interesting timing as well - almost like they are expecting an influx of new users who dont know the scope sound.....

Possibly true. It is better to start allowing demoing of all devices now then long after the release of the new Platform and potential influx of new users imo.

The allowing of the demoing of plugins was a wise and much needed move to make i've no doubt. Also putting audio-demo's on their website was good. Both moves should help sales and exposer considerably in the long run.


PS. But more info on devices and the whole Platform is still needed. Hopefully that will come soon.

[dawman]

Soniccore makes me very sad, then they make me very happy...
Just like an old Weather Report song that's full of dissonance and then resolution and promise.
Right now I am happy.
Mostly because of Ralf's recent offerings and new plugs from developers we have grown to adore, so SC will again make me smile in due time, until then they should thank their lucky stars for the 3rd Party / SDK guys.

Everyone of them should be flown to Messe for free, free room & board too.
Once there though, they'll have to find their own trim...

[lagoausente]

First I was afraid
I was petrified
Kept thinking I could never live
without you by my side
But I spent so many nights
thinking how you did me wrong
I grew strong
I learned how to carry on
and so you're back
from outer space
I just walked in to find you here
with that sad look upon your face
I should have changed my stupid lock
I should have made you leave your key
If I had known for just one second
you'd be back to bother me

Go on now go walk out the door
just turn around now
'cause you're not welcome anymore
weren't you the one who tried to hurt me with goodbye
you think I'd crumble
you think I'd lay down and die
Oh no, not I
I will survive
as long as i know how to love
I know I will stay alive
I've got all my life to live
I've got all my love to give
and I'll survive
I will survive

It took all the strength I had
not to fall apart
kept trying hard to mend
the pieces of my broken heart
and I spent oh so many nights
just feeling sorry for myself
I used to cry
Now I hold my head up high
and you see me
somebody new
I'm not that chained up little person
still in love with you
and so you felt like dropping in
and just expect me to be free
now I'm saving all my loving
for someone who's loving me

[siriusbliss]

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/1881188/a ... l_survive/

[Mike Goodwin]

Was hoping that I would find a new scope here waiting for me. Well I will check back in a couple more months.

[ChampionSound]

Was hoping that I would find a new scope here waiting for me. Well I will check back in a couple more months.

I still wouldn't hold my breath for the coming couple of months...

[iSiStOy]

My guess would be that you can keep on hoping it's planned for Musikmesse.

Otherwise I feel there is like another (and not the weakest one) storm to pass. By the way, I'm ready for any personal contribution (time to test or whatever) if it is a need for S|C, but before marketing out the product.
Don't f...g hesitate to ask us and give us the mean to test it!
Plus, whatever it delays that thing, we'll be glad to participate and give our feedback.

cheers

[dawman]

Those who understand it's power will wait until the Cows come home.
What would we replace it with anyway........6 cards to add to my 4?............not.
Some UAD's or PoCo's.................No thanks.
I made my bed and I'll sleep in it, but I wish I had nice dreams instead of nightmares.
If Jurgen or Holger get killed on the Autobahn ( Lord Forbid ) I'm up Shit Creek w/o a paddle...

[iSiStOy]

The inimitable Stardust!
Please get your seat and enjoy!

power cows sleeping in beds ?

It's apparently some kind of Montagnard metaphor so to say

best regards to you Stardust, always a pleasure to read you comments!!

[lagoausente]

I would say that from the moment they thought about creating the Xite-1 they have done 50% or more or the work, that means, dsp knowledge, sofware working, electronic knowledge.. etc.
I would say that on NAMM 2008, they have done 95% of the work. A unit working with 10x of power.
This times that might have 99.8% of work done. That means, unit improved with Z-link.., etc,
working in Vista, etc. But work % isn´t linear with time, so 0.2% make take a lot of time.
In the other hand, the money issue, or financial if you like, I don´t think will make it live or die. At this point of development, in the worst case imaginable, if they can build one unit, they will can build some more units to start selling, not necesary a high volume of mass production.
I you have run 41.99 km, you´ll not give up at 10 meter from the finish line, I think.

[lagoausente]

You are right if the money for HW production is not depending on a early delivery. he SW is to be there for one or a thousand units, right.

What´s SW?

[lagoausente]

Sorry for the acronym, I mean SW=software.

I´m quite absent-minded, was not so dificult.

I don´t know how much money is needed to hardware production. There are two points here. For more units, less relative price for each unit, but more total investment needed. For a few units, relatively high cost for each unit, but less investment needed.
What I wanted to mean is that the worst case, is similar to the case of a DIYer (Do-it-yourself).
When you DIY some gear, is a spend of time, effort and money, but even not more expensive than buying the unit.
Have no idea about the company financial capabilities, but for those guys who are always seen all black, if a DIYer makes own gear saving some money, S/C could build a few units at relatively higher cost (per unit), make some cash, and then increase the number of next production series.
I think that there will be a lot of changes in the world, in the near future, but what I´m sure is that S/C loves their platform and love for music, and that´s why they still are there instead working in a soft to calculate the feed proportion for cows to increase the milk production, for example.
Love for music, and for gear+music, is what make me do-it-myself preamps, and even mounting my AD/DA converter DIY kits, headphones amp, guitar amp, and spending hours mouting all that in a rack unit.
So if a worldwide cathastrophe occurs, or even the company hecatombe, I still think that a Xite-1 will be avaible, even as a pcb for DIYers.
Just my thoughts.